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AMEN !!!!! Well said ... A California RN who lives here. A person who will not wear a mask and keep their distance from you, is showing YOU disrespect and cares little about your safety , well-being and health, as well as the community they live in and share with others.

PLEASE do not classify these young people who dead as all alcoholics. This is a Mexican tradition, they stop on their way to work and get a glass of milk fresh from the cow add a little chocolate or coffee and some alcohol. Then set around and talk with their friends before they go to work. PLEASE do not shame their lives by calling them alcoholics. They are hard working people following a harmless tradition.

Yet another funeral procession just passed by my house. I think there's been one every day this week. Instead of bickering can we all be mindful of the fact that too many of our neighbors lost their lives this week? They deserve better than the bs contained in this thread. May they all Rest In Peace.

Well, it is my opinion that we’d all be better off if we stopped judging how other people spend their money. But, point taken. I will remove the offending sentence. Thank you.

From up north. Frustrated nurse. Worth reading and yes its a tough love post. Please don't let the first sentence stop you from reading this. It made me think. "Ok, so, here’s some venting and some explaining and if you don’t like it, I honestly don’t care. Move on and good day to you. This has easily been the longest 2 months of my career, and, for that matter, my life. COVID-19 has changed everything. The way we live, the way our kids learn, the way we work. It has trashed the economy, exploded unemployment, and harmed businesses, many of them, sadly, beyond repair. But here’s the deal: it’s real and it’s here and it’s still spreading. As a healthcare worker, I’m exhausted. Physically, mentally, and emotionally. As a manager in the the healthcare industry, it’s been one of the longest, most stressful things I’ve tackled. First off, the truthers and the conspiracy people and the protesters, you’re not helping. The people bitching CONSTANTLY about the governor’s or whatever level of government’s handling of things, it’s not constructive. Do you want to know why medical people, real medical people, not some crackpot quacks and kooks with a YouTube account or Facebook page, are taking this seriously? Because it’s serious. And we’re serious people when it comes to people’s health and their lives. Yes, it mostly kills at-risk populations (the elderly and those with underlying medical conditions) but it also kills perfectly healthy people with no prior diagnoses and we don’t know why. I’m so tired of people acting like there’s information that’s being cooked up or withheld. You know why there’s lots of gaps in the information? Because we’re still learning about this virus every day. It’s new. It’s never been seen. How it acts, how it spreads, why it does the things it does is all new and we’re learning on the fly. Stop mistaking genuine lack of information for misinformation or withheld information. The numbers: this one sticks in my craw like no other. “I heard they didn’t die from COVID-19, they died from a heart attack but they were positive so they called it COVID-19 to boost the numbers and scare people.” Stop. It. You know how many people died specifically from AIDS? Zero. AIDS patients die from pneumonia or some other illness normal, healthy people fight off because the AIDS virus destroyed their immune system and they couldn’t fight off the infection. But at the heart of it, they died because of AIDS. The coronavirus attacks the respiratory system. The respiratory system is, in case you didn’t know, pretty important to sustaining life. It also has a huge impact on how other organ systems, like the heart, work. Guess what, when your lungs don’t work because they’ve basically filled with brick mortar because the virus is attacking them, that puts a bit of a strain on your ticker and very well can cause it to fail. So unless you have a basic understanding of or want to understand how interconnected organ systems are and how the body fundamentally functions: stop. I think I can speak for a lot of medical professionals when I say, we don’t mean to be arrogant, we don’t mean to be jerks, but damn it, this bullshit is frustrating and yes, we’re going to clap back to ignorance. Ignorance is not something to be flaunted and there is a difference between ignorance and stupidity. Ignorance is being uninformed. Stop being willfully ignorant and even reveling in it because it doesn’t fit your preconceived narrative or opinion. Even worse, stop pretending you’re not ignorant because you watched some damn YouTube video or read some op-ed piece. That’s someone’s opinion, normally based on nothing. NOTHING. No research. That’s not information. That’s not factual. That’s not based in science. It’s click-bait with the sole intention of riling you up and getting you to let your guard down. And instead of being pissed at the virus that’s causing all this, it’s to direct your anger at the government or doctors or anywhere else their agenda wants it directed. Medical people are fired up for a couple reasons. 1 month ago, we were all heroes and putting our lives on the line because this was dangerous stuff. Well, I think I can speak for most of us when I say we aren’t heroic, we’re just doing our job. But guess what, we’re still doing the same damn thing we were doing a month ago and this crap still hasn’t gone away but now we’re “just trying to scare people” because “it’s really no big deal.” We aren’t looking for a pat on the back or even a thank you, we just want you to do what we all need to do to stop this thing and avoid the spread. Listen, if you think that my big fat ### enjoys sweating like a whore in church in an isolation gown, walking around like Mr Magoo because my glasses are fogged up because of my mask, and wearing goggles that dig into the backs of my ears because I’m “just a sheep,” you are mistaken. It’s because I don’t want this virus and I don’t want to take it home to my family and I don’t want to infect my co-workers and other patients. We’re fired up because we’ve seen and even performed intubations. We don’t intubate for funsies. Outside of the surgical setting, an intubation is basically throwing a Hail Mary to save someone’s life. And when the mortality rate once that plastic tube slides between your vocal cords with COVID-19 is 85-89%, yeah, that’s terrifying. This virus is dangerous. Lastly, stop being spoiled children about public health advisories. Stop bitching about wearing a mask when you’re in public places. Stop pretending that that is somehow infringing on your rights. Get over yourself. I wish all businesses would grow a pair and refuse service to people who refuse to wear a mask “out of principle.” Police aren’t inclined to enforce it and that’s fine but, spoiler alert, private businesses have and reserve the right to refuse service to anyone. Don’t tell me it’s ok for a bakery to refuse service to a gay couple for a wedding cake on religious grounds but not ok for a convenience store to refuse service because they don’t want the outbreak monkey strolling through their place coughing all over other patrons and their staff. Stay outside the 6ft bubble, wear a damn mask, and wash your hands. It’s that easy. Stop pretending they’re asking for a kidney. It’s as much to protect yourself as it is everyone else. People wonder why we have things like stay-at-home orders and closing of non-essential businesses. It’s because of you, jackass, you’re the problem. It’s your lack of ability to exercise common sense and your refusal to follow simple, insanely simple advice that forces the government to exercise it for you. And even then, you still thumb your nose at it in all your ignorant glory. Sorry that you feel like they’re infringing on your right to be an irresponsible child. Look, all I’m saying is I get that it’s frustrating and I get that it’s irritating, and inconvenient and all the other bad things that it is, but please, continue to take this seriously, continue to do the little things that make a big difference. Stop denying facts, science, and the advice from people who have spent a lifetime doing what they do in the medical and research fields to ultimately make everyone’s lives healthier, safer, and better. I’m done with my soap box now. " #washyourhands #wearamask ------

There will be no safe way for us elderly to be out and about until there is a vaccine. The best we can do is go where we need to wearing a mask and social distance when possible. As far as living like we did before that will have to wait for a vaccine.

It seems to me that the people who frequent “overpriced” businesses are the people who can A. afford to and B. believe the higher cost is worth it to them. Those who can not afford the higher prices or do not believe the added cost is worth it have plenty of other options. People know they vote with their wallets and that they can choose the lower cost options. They are choosing not to. <edited to remove last three words which were unnecessary.>

This is one of those unending debates that doesn't end and causes some to denigrate anyone who dares disagree or suggests that opinion is not the same as fact. Thanks to the OP for posting it, read it and make up your own minds. No need to start another one of these circular debates that turn personal over an opinion piece. Closed.

Has anyone stopped to consider the exchange rate change since mid-February? Spot rate USD Feb 15 $18.54 USD today over 24.......... so in fact you might be "paying" less than before.

The people drinking this have always had it and not commercial booze. This happened because it was bad and not because of what it is. The grain alcohol has always been used in that raw milk with alcohol drink they have in the morning. The ban on the sale of liquor had nothing to do with this, the people would not have bought the "expensive" stuff, it is not their way.

MY god, that is about six dollars. Just have them put down.

This is not just a local horror..... it's showing up in various parts of Mexico. TV news this a.m. said 113 deaths...... 50 in Puebla alone..... as of yesterday. And those are only the ones they know of. Informador on line today has report of a group of people in state of Morelos who knew where one guy was storing / selling the tainted stuff took matters into their own hands and burned the house down. Too bad the guy wasn't in it at the theme.

Will do. In the mean time I will go and enjoy my daily life using common sense protections. ☺️

Some meds are similar, NOT generic. This in their name, similar but not necessarily generic. One must ensure that the chemical composition is as per what was prescribed.

Please report back if you get infected with CV, luckily survive, and then are exposed to it again. It won't be definitive but we can all know anecdotally.

One person's opinion. Lot of disagreement with this even in the medical community. World is opening up whether some like it or not. There really is no alternative. The politicians will posture but in the end they will cave because the support for this overkill is fading rapidly. Everywhere.

Donations to help Mauricio's family with expenses can be made at La Peña de Santos Rico gallery in Ajijic centro, Constitución 16. That's one block directly south of the plaza. Phone 376 766 0281.

And that has worked? Half the government and military have been in bed with the cartels for as long as I can remember. The Navy has been the best but even they have had issues. The cartels simply have too much money.

And until ILOX fixes whatever is wrong with their VOIP do not port your Telmex number over. You can use the VOIP port on their modem with the 376-109-xxxx number they assign you if you want to check it out.

Generic drugs tend to be weaker in dosage by about 20% when compared to brand-name drugs. If you are using drugs that have a dosage measured in milligrams, this is probably close enough. However, if you are using drugs measured in micrograms, you should stick with the brand-name version.

I can assure you that all generics are not all exactly like the brand name drugs. The active ingredient may be the same, but there may be different buffering agents used. The one I can tell you for sure isn't the same is Valium and generic diazapam. I've used Valium when there's something stressing me out or making me anxious and I can't shut off my brain long enough to fall asleep. The generics don't work like Valium. With Valium, I'm relaxed and asleep within 15 minutes, with the generic, I'm still wide awake an hour later. This was true in Canada as well as Mexico. Other people I know have had the same experience with that particular drug. May not be the same for all.

In E! Quebec.

The word stough is a more intellectual version of the word stuff.

Hope the lady will remain in quarantine for two weeks before venturing out and about.

That isn't really a joke. I knew someone decades ago that went to have his teeth cleaned. There was an advertised price. He literally had only about half of his teeth left. He asked for a discount since it was less work for the dentist. He got 40% off. This was in the U.S.

Perhaps. I tend to “hear” whining in a lot of your posts that you don’t “hear.” Who is to say which of us is imagining? But what about you giving a heads up to another poster about rules while violating one yourself? No response to that?

https://www.chapala.com/jp-home-services.html Their power is off today so may not answer phone.

Lo Mismo pero Mas Barato The Same but Cheaper They have been in business over 20 years and have about 5,000 stores. Some are company owned and some are franchises A lot of their generics are made in Mexico. Sometimes you will find Dr. Simi dancing in front

" GET OVER IT" And at no time did I quote or mention you in my post that you quoted telling me to "get over it" It is certainly correct that I have no idea what you do or pay, and I made no comment about you in my post.

As far as I know, there been 13 deaths in Ajijic and one in Chapala. The people who are booohouing about the liquor stores are addressing their own addictions! The people who are dying are long time users of this type of drink and are subcoming to a bad batch from one producer. Not that they deserve to die and also the pain to their families is just as real.

Unfortunate that some businesses lakeside that cater to the foreign community are way overpriced. More unfortunate that people continue to use them. Best way is vote with your feet and go elsewhere. And let them know that you did it.

A heads up for you GH. If you are a stickler for rules it should be for all rules not just the ones that are annoying you at the moment. According to the rules, if you have a question about moderation you are supposed to send a PM to a moderator, not ask the board in general and then whine when you do not like the answer.

You are correct Alpha since I am from Switzerland (Suisse pour les Quebecois).

We have used Similaries for many years and their generics are as described above. The one instance were I have felt that the med wasn't adequate is Tramacet.

I have taken meds from Farmica Similars chain for many years without any problem. There are many drugs they do not have. They only have generics. Their cost is lower. They have many stores across Mexico. Often stores a block apart will have different stock items, perhaps the stores are franchses and order what they want. Farmicia Christina is a sole enterprise as opposed to a chain. Remember we were told for years not to order foreign manufactured drugs. Turns out China makes most of the active ingredients anyway even for name brand pharmaceuticals.

I would guess that most foreigners lakeside have any idea of what normal wages are in Mexico. A mid level management Jalisco state employee $20,000mx after taxes per month. Maids in GDL half of lakeside. Factory workers $2500 per week. $25,000 mx could keep many small shops going for 2-3 months.

Shame on you for standing up for your rights and freedom, right? Shame, shame, shame on you !

Thank you, Kyle. I agree that people getting together in the circumstances you identified would not be advisable. I don't know if they would be allowed. I'm not sure if it's a hypothetical or a real example. I hope the former. If it's the latter, then anyone concerned should stay away.

You could scan and send her a copy of your CFE bill to prove the address that she will be staying at with her parents once she's done quarantining, and if she books an Airbnb or something, she'll get a receipt with the address on it. You might even get someone who's fluent in Spanish to write a letter outlining her purpose in coming and scan and send that to her as well. She could print all that stuff out and have it with her just in case. Mexican bureaucrats love paper, the more the better. Of course, Murphy's Law, if you are armed with all that, they'll never ask, but better to have as much documentation as possible, just in case. 🙂

I just don't think that groups of 8-10 people who are in the high risk group should be getting together and justifying it because it is outdoors and the band has changed for restaurants to open 50%. In The small place they meet they would make up the 50% just their group alone. I don't thing that was the intent of restrictions modifications .

That's very cute, but it ignores the principle of supply and demand. I.e., more people are seeking out this hooch because commercial booze has been limited. Ergo, the distillers have a profit motive to increase their supply at the expense of quality and safety. Also, it's reasonable to surmise that unqualified distillers have been incentivized into production. They may not even know basic principles or distillation or how to apply them (e.g., head, hearts, and tails). Lastly, it would be quite a coincidence that all of these poisonings just happened to occur simultaneously with an alcohol ban. But, no worries, let's just continue to let people die for the questionable cause of moral righteousness.

No. It is made from sugar cane. Cheap awful tequila that is sold in 4 liter plastic jugs can be found for he ultra cheap or those lacking of taste buds on the highways surrounding tequila.

The answer (depending on what you read where) appears to be yes, no, and maybe. Pick the answer you like.

I do not know the current answer.. last I knew it was 2 per person.. BUT, I would find out the current information - if there is a limit of how many animals/dogs that one person can bring into Mexico..

We got sidetracked here. Let's keep the focus on the well regarded gentleman who met an unfortunate end and use the alcohol poisonings thread to discuss that topic. Thanks.

The people that buy that stuff don’t buy legal alcohol, they buy the cheap stuff of the streets which has been readily available for years.. This just happened to be a bad batch...

That's what we are doing. We are also transporting her as she is avoiding public transportation. Fortunately it is an easy walk for her to all markets, she lives just above the 7-11 in Chapala. Paying very close attention to social distancing and wearing mask whenever around others. And the usual hand washing, sterilizing, etc. No travel at all either though we will go by car to NM for needed medical stuff and business in early June. We won't be anywhere near the higher incidence localities there. I've read and studied up enough on this topic I believe these are the measures that will eliminate most risk. That's the best we can do, we are not going to let fear of dying stop us from living even if in a modified manner.

I can't envision how going to eat indoors at a restaurant, let alone going to a dance bar, is a smart move for those of us in the most vulnerable population until there is a vaccine. I just hope everyone including these government geniuses realize the virus is still very much here and there WILL be more cases once the lock down ends. There is not going to be any free lunch with this one. Like it or not, people have to work and the burden is on the most vulnerable to protect themselves as best as possible.

Such horribly sad news. My heart hurts for all of the families.