kimanjome Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Is it true that Mexican law requires an annual pay raise(January) for my maid and gardener? Both came to me today and jointly said that the Federal law requires a raise every January. We hired them almost two years ago and have given them a raise, once, of 6%, during those two years. They were very appreciative, but told us the law says there must be a raise every year--however, it is for no specific amount, but at the discretion of the employer. I can't find this law anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Berca Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily H Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Al Berca is right. There's only required daily minimum wage of 102.68 pesos effective from January 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimanjome Posted February 27, 2019 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Thanks. We are paying the: maid--62 pesos an hour, plus 50 pesos extra cash on Fridays for "refrescos", plus all holidays, plus 5 paid "personal leave days"every year which, if not taken, will be converted to a cash bonus. gardener--71 pesos an hour plus same benefits as maid Also we pay above the aquinaldo, we pay a full months' salary. I think we are pretty generous. But I have been told by both maid and gardener that other employers are more generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 18 minutes ago, kimanjome said: But I have been told by both maid and gardener that other employers are more generous. Great, tell them that they need to aspire to those jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Maid = full time usually 5 1/2 days per week. Cleaning lady = part time contract work usually 4 to 8 hours per week. There is a big difference and possibly you should state what their status is to come up with some labor laws that apply to your situation. This includes IMSS payments as an employer. Inflation rate for 2018 was 6 percent - double previous years. All people we know increased salaries 6 percent Jan. 1 st. for full time employees. All pay IMSS medical for their family and IMSS pension to their full time employees by law. You did good with giving them a 6 percent raise in 2 years with close to a 3 percent inflation rate annually. Possibly you might give them a 6 percent raise this year just to be nice. Then again I think differently than many people. The per hour wage you agreed upon originally shouldn't influence your now decision even if it seems alot but they are probably thinking of what other employees are doing now - not back 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 You could be spectacularly generous, and give the unwritten (?) 5% annual increase every year. It would amount to maybe $1 USD per week, if your employee works just six hours, one day a week for you. ✍️Higher math skills may be required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 There is no unwritten annual increase of any amount. There is what you believe is fair. There will be those who handle it well, and those who don't. The smart ones will ask around (note that the Original Poster was not looking for that information). The bossy ones will tell everyone else what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted February 27, 2019 Report Share Posted February 27, 2019 Tne longer i live here the more "complcated" dealing with " dosmectics" see to come and the option of hiring a "service" more desirable...BUT...finding a reliable company is a different challenge..God there is so ,much potential in this area for local Mexicans to start a business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 I've asked a friend in GDL what they think about the levels of pay here for maids and gardeners and her response was "very high compared to here (GDL) and most of Mexico." Our friends from Oaxaca are quite amazed at the pay levels for these jobs here. Typical there is half of what is typical there. These jobs have mostly disappeared NOB precisely because costs and government hassles made them uneconomic for most people. I fail to see how replicating this experience here would help the many people who need jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm1mex Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 We resolved the maid situation with using Spring Clean. We have used them for about 4 years and have been completely satisfied and they are reliable. Our house cleaner comes every 2 weeks and Spring Clean brings her and picks her up and supplies all of the cleaning products. A win, win for us. No vacation pay and no Christmas bonus from us. Spring Clean pays that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis clark Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 What does Spring Clean charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily H Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 Call Letitia at Spring Clean to find out: 3310428449 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 9 minutes ago, Lily H said: Call Letitia at Spring Clean to find out: 3310428449 Seems nobody ever wishes to admit they might be paying too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily H Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 I AM, indeed, paying higher but avoided lots of end of the year hassle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, Lily H said: I AM, indeed, paying higher but avoided lots of end of the year hassle. I find following the law is no hassle whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily H Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 Where didn't I follow the law? How we pay cleaning people is personal choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 Just now, Lily H said: Where didn't I follow the law? Huh? What other hassles could there be, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lily H Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 I find my answers. No need for advice unless I am asking for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arroyos Posted February 28, 2019 Report Share Posted February 28, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 1:15 PM, kimanjome said: Thanks. We are paying the: maid--62 pesos an hour, plus 50 pesos extra cash on Fridays for "refrescos", plus all holidays, plus 5 paid "personal leave days"every year which, if not taken, will be converted to a cash bonus. gardener--71 pesos an hour plus same benefits as maid Also we pay above the aquinaldo, we pay a full months' salary. I think we are pretty generous. But I have been told by both maid and gardener that other employers are more generous. You are very generous and it sounds to me like they are a bit greedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
REC Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 Cost of living is higher here than other parts of Mexico. Workers need to and expect to make more than in other places. We have had the same housekeeper for 13 years with no problems whatsoever. Same gardener for 10 years with the same great experience. On the other hand our first gardener was very difficult to deal with and was always asking for more money, loans that he couldn't pay back, etc. We got rid of him with a lawyer's help and paid him exactly what he was owed in severance. Not a big deal at all. We fully recognize that we are very lucky and that others have had very different experiences. Same thing happens all over the world. Luckily there are options and each of us needs to figure out what works for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm1mex Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 Spring Clean charge would depend on how large or small your house is and also how far away you live from their office as they deliver the maid and also the supplies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdmowers Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 On 2/27/2019 at 1:55 PM, AlanMexicali said: Maid = full time usually 5 1/2 days per week. Cleaning lady = part time contract work usually 4 to 8 hours per week. There is a big difference and possibly you should state what their status is to come up with some labor laws that apply to your situation. This includes IMSS payments as an employer. Inflation rate for 2018 was 6 percent - double previous years. All people we know increased salaries 6 percent Jan. 1 st. for full time employees. All pay IMSS medical for their family and IMSS pension to their full time employees by law. You did good with giving them a 6 percent raise in 2 years with close to a 3 percent inflation rate annually. Possibly you might give them a 6 percent raise this year just to be nice. Then again I think differently than many people. The per hour wage you agreed upon originally shouldn't influence your now decision even if it seems alot but they are probably thinking of what other employees are doing now - not back 2 years ago. Alan, "labor laws ...include IMSS payments as an employer" Is this only for full time work? By law, is all of what you have said above for full time workers only? Everything else is discretion by employer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 51 minutes ago, bdmowers said: Alan, "labor laws ...include IMSS payments as an employer" Is this only for full time work? By law, is all of what you have said above for full time workers only? Everything else is discretion by employer? Google Translation: "SOCIAL SECURITY LAW New Law published in the Official Gazette of the Federation on December 21, 1995 CURRENT TEXT Last reform published DOF 22-06-2018 Article 15. Employers are required to: I. Register and register your workers in the Institute, communicate their registrations and withdrawals, Changes in your salary and other data, within periods of no more than five days skilled; Reformed fraction DOF 20-12-2001 II. Keep records, such as payroll and list... 1. Of the parties to the contract: Name, denomination or company name; kind of moral person of in question, if applicable; social object; social, fiscal and, where appropriate, conventional domicile for effects of the contract; number of the Federal Register of Taxpayers and Employer Registration before the IMSS; data of its constitutive act, such as public deed number, date, name of the public notary that attests to the same, number of the notary and city to which it corresponds, section, item, volume, page or business page, if applicable, and date of registration in the Registry Public Property and Commerce; name of the legal representatives of the parties that they signed the contract. Added fraction DOF 09-07-2009 II. Of the contract: Object; validity period; profiles, positions or categories indicating in this case if It is about operational, administrative or professional staff and the estimated monthly number of workers or other insurance subjects that will be made available to the beneficiary of the services or jobs contracted. Added fraction DOF 09-07-2009 The employer shall include for each of its workers, the name of the beneficiary of the services or jobs contracted in the computer system authorized by the Institute. Paragraph added DOF 09-07-2009 When the employer is obliged to make available..." Without a current and valid contract workers are not entitled to use arbritation to get settlements in their favor. On the other hand employees are obligated to contract employees. If cash and a few hours per week is the situation I doubt anyone cares [ I could be wrong ] as it would not justify any person using laborers in this manor to pay IMSS medical for their family or paying into that worker's IMSS pension. That is how it has been explained to me from a few knowledgeable people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Liana Posted March 1, 2019 Report Share Posted March 1, 2019 The above extraction from Mexican labor law pertains ONLY to FULL TIME EMPLOYEES. Full time means working 5 and a half days a week, regular working hours. This does NOT apply to part-time household help. "Moral person" (persona moral) is a business; physical person (persona física) is an individual. It is not necessary or required that one pay IMSS for a part-time worker or his/her family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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