Mainecoons Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 Interesting Informador article about a new chain of gas stations in the GDL area. The article claims there is one somewhere in the Jocotepec area as well, in the 7th paragraph of the article. Has anyone there seen this one? Although the prices are still fixed the chain is guaranteeing no short pumping, a common problem. Also some discussion of the possibility of gas shortages due to the problems in Texas. http://www.informador.com.mx/economia/2017/737697/6/estrenan-identidad-estaciones-de-gasmex.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted September 4, 2017 Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 It is pitiful that a new brand's promise is to not steal from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted September 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2017 17 minutes ago, AngusMactavish said: It is pitiful that a new brand's promise is to not steal from you. Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Saltos Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 There still is no competition; one source of supply - Pemex, price set by government. The only way to compete is to not steal from customers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 But BP is also opening stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Saltos Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 So is Gulf, so what? Until the competitors begin importing their own supply and the price controls are over (Jan '18?) there will be no real competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted September 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 They're establishing the needed distribution, retail sales network and market presence right now. Just knowing you won't be cheated at the pump is a significant benefit for using them. January '18 is only 4 months away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 I see no indication that BP is using Pemex gas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVGRINGO Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Gasoline is gasoline, refined from crude oil and sent through pipelines to storage facilities and mixed with that from other refineries. It may then be piped onward to other distant storage or delivery locations, and eventually to individual gasoline stations. The stations themselves may, or may not, be branded and paying a fee for that brand‘s sign and logos, advertizing, etc. Independents down the street may actually be selling the same gasoline, from the same distributor and the same truckload, but without a branded contract; therefore, they sell for less per gallon. It is all smoke and mirrors, but about 15% of Americans actually believe that their cars run better because they use their favorite brand........Ha! Marketing magic, sometimes augmented by local additives of doubtful benefit; sort of like food coloring in jello, other than the additives that change the octane rating, which is real......most of the time. Much of Mexico‘s Pemex gasoline is refined in Texas and imported. The same will be true for Gulf and BP, etc. In fact, Mexico sent some gasoline back to Texas to help with the shortages caused by Harvey, and to help prevent excessive price increases nationwide in the USA. Governments at work cooperatively? Could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Saltos Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, Mainecoons said: They're establishing the needed distribution, retail sales network and market presence right now. Just knowing you won't be cheated at the pump is a significant benefit for using them. January '18 is only 4 months away. Just because they said it don't make it true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Saltos Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, ComputerGuy said: I see no indication that BP is using Pemex gas... Meaning? You think they'd tell you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComputerGuy Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 So you're saying they did tell you, however? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, El Saltos said: Meaning? You think they'd tell you? The new Costco gas station here fills up their tanks from Pemex trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Saltos Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 1 hour ago, ComputerGuy said: So you're saying they did tell you, however? Nope, not a word, and I don't expect any either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowyco Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 3 hours ago, RVGRINGO said: Gasoline is gasoline, refined from crude oil and sent through pipelines to storage facilities and mixed with that from other refineries. It may then be piped onward to other distant storage or delivery locations, and eventually to individual gasoline stations. The stations themselves may, or may not, be branded and paying a fee for that brand‘s sign and logos, advertizing, etc. Independents down the street may actually be selling the same gasoline, from the same distributor and the same truckload, but without a branded contract; therefore, they sell for less per gallon. It is all smoke and mirrors, but about 15% of Americans actually believe that their cars run better because they use their favorite brand........Ha! Marketing magic, sometimes augmented by local additives of doubtful benefit; sort of like food coloring in jello, other than the additives that change the octane rating, which is real......most of the time. Much of Mexico‘s Pemex gasoline is refined in Texas and imported. The same will be true for Gulf and BP, etc. In fact, Mexico sent some gasoline back to Texas to help with the shortages caused by Harvey, and to help prevent excessive price increases nationwide in the USA. Governments at work cooperatively? Could be. . "Gasoline is gasoline, refined from crude oil and sent through pipelines to storage facilities and mixed with that from other refineries." Are you proposing that gasoline from cracking & refining heavy high-sulfur crude is the same as gasoline from light sweet West Texas crude? Should we expect that winter-formulated (high volatility) gasoline is the same as summer-formulated (low volatility) gasoline? Should we expect that gasolines formulated for low altitudes (higher octane ratings for sea level sales) are the same as high-altitude formulations for sale in Mexico City (lower octane ratings)? ======================================================Univ. of Illinois Results for Different Brands of Gasoline: We did our first Gas Chromatographic (GC) analyses on gasolines from 4 different local stations (different brands) at University of Illinois back in the early 1970's, and each station's gasoline had a distinct signature of different hydrocarbons, present at very different amounts, very different from the other 3.Colorado State University Results: We repeated these GC analyses of 5 different brands of gasoline at Colorado State University in the early and again in the late 1980's and found that each of the 5 brands of gasoline from our local stations had unique signature compositions, that were each very different from the other 4 brands. ... Further, the Colorado gasolines were also different than the chemical signatures of the Illinois gasolines.Alfred University Results: We repeated these GC analyses of 4 yet still different brand of gasoline at Alfred University in the late 1980's, and found that each of the 4 brands of gasoline from our local upstate New York stations had unique signature compositions, that were each very different from the other 4 local upstate NY brands. Further, the upstate NY gasolines were also different than the chemical signatures of the Illinois gasolines and the Colorado gasolines.Analytical Technologies Laboratories Results: We repeated these GC analysis, adding GC Mass Spectroscopy testing results, and found that Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Florida ,California, and Mexican sold gasoline brands were different from each other.Paragon Analytics Results: We repeated these GC analysis, adding GC Mass Spectroscopy testing results, at Paragon Analytics, and found that Colorado, Wyoming, New Mexican, Kansas, Massachusetts, Texas and Italian sold gasoline brands were distinctly different from each other. As a result of 40 years of gasoline analyses from at least 12 different states and 3 different countries, I've personally seen testing results that showed that gasoline formulations vary between brands, between refineries, and between states. ... The source of feedstock crude, the catalyst & catalytic conditions, the sulfur content, the differing refining conditions, winter vs summer gasoline blends, and specific additives all contribute to chemically~scientifically measurable differences between different brands and different types of gasolines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowyco Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 2 hours ago, ComputerGuy said: So you're saying they did tell you, however? .Rather than adopting personal opinions of local forum pundits, why not consider following official public statements from BP , that have specifically announced~highlighted that they are not selling PEMEX gas." This would also reportedly mark the first fueling location in Mexico to be operated and branded by a multinational oil company, as well as ~the first not supplied by its state oil company Pemex~ , since the country began deregulating its fuel market in 2013. " "... BP, previously known as British Petroleum, yesterday opened its first gas station in Mexico, reportedly the only one in the country that ~sells fuel that is not supplied by the state oil company Pemex ~ . " BP's Pricing is also not dictated by PEMEX per BP announcements:"... The new BP stations will charge “market prices” for the fuel, company executives said, and given a gradual phase-out of government-set fuel prices ... " (March 2013)http://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels-news-prices-analysis/fuels-news/articles/bp-retail-enters-mexicohttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-bp-mexico-gasoline/bp-plans-entry-into-mexicos-once-closed-retail-gasoline-market-idUSKBN16G37Ohttp://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/bp-opens-gas-station-in-satelite-naucalpan/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Saltos Posted September 5, 2017 Report Share Posted September 5, 2017 Good and interesting news. Are there any BP stations open and operating? As of today the Mexican Gov't still sets the retail price of petrol and will continue to do so until January 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taltman711 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 On 9/4/2017 at 9:35 AM, Mainecoons said: Interesting Informador article about a new chain of gas stations in the GDL area. The article claims there is one somewhere in the Jocotepec area as well, in the 7th paragraph of the article. Has anyone there seen this one? Although the prices are still fixed the chain is guaranteeing no short pumping, a common problem. Also some discussion of the possibility of gas shortages due to the problems in Texas. http://www.informador.com.mx/economia/2017/737697/6/estrenan-identidad-estaciones-de-gasmex.htm It is the station in El Chante. Different name, same service. It has been a Gasmex station for a while (a few months). It still looks like a Pemex. If you look for it, you will see the Gasmex sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 ... and what are the prices or must one wait until 1/1/18 for unrestricted pricing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomgates Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 Pemex fuel is without added ethanol. All the US companies that will have their own gas will have ethanol in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael2595 Posted September 6, 2017 Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 5 US gas brands heading to the border. http://www.cspdailynews.com/fuels-news-prices-analysis/fuels-news/articles/5-us-gasoline-brands-heading-south-border#page=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted September 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2017 5 hours ago, tomgates said: Pemex fuel is without added ethanol. All the US companies that will have their own gas will have ethanol in it. And if it does, you get lower performance and gas mileage with it. It should be cheaper as it is a lower quality product when it comes to powering your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 ... ah, but it is less polluting. Or at least that is the claim. Also, not all gasoline NOB is with ethanol in the summer. I'm not sure what the criteria is, but in my travels I often see stations advertising "NO Ethanol". Sadly, it is always more expensive, but as MC notes, it gives better performance/mileage. P.S. Personally there are two things that I wish we could get rid of NOB..... Ethanol in our gas and daylight savings time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Saltos Posted September 7, 2017 Report Share Posted September 7, 2017 Shell is in Mexico: http://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/shells-first-gas-station-opens-in-mexico-state/ Using Pemex fuel until next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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