John Shrall Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Don't get too excited. On the 22nd a 15km section of the Las Varas - PV cuota opened. The two towns mentioned in the press releases are El Tonino and El Monteón. The northern entrance is near the Costa Canuva resort bypassing La Peñita, Los Ayala and dumping back out on Hwy 200 near El Monteón. This will save a little time for those driving to PV as it bypasses the traffic and lights in La Peñita and Guayabitos. Fifteen km at 110km+/hr is a lot faster than stop and go. The toll is 60 pesos. The latest new completion date is 2023. What is actually going to be completed is still a mystery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 At the rate the widening of the two lane part of the road to Manzanillo is going, the PV project will probably be done first. How long is it taking to get there from Lakeside now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floradude Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 5 hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappysmarket Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 25 minutes wheels up to wheels down on a plane and you avoid those pesky drivers who just have to pass the car in front of them regardless if it's safe to do so. That's why God invented planes. Feliz Navidad! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adolphsj Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 18 minutes ago, pappysmarket said: 25 minutes wheels up to wheels down on a plane and you avoid those pesky drivers who just have to pass the car in front of them regardless if it's safe to do so. That's why God invented planes. Feliz Navidad! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adolphsj Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Dan deiving to the south end of PV (Zona Romántica/Old Town) is 5 1/2 hrs driving time, 5 hrs to areas further north like the Marina, airport, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 14 minutes ago, adolphsj said: Dan deiving to the south end of PV (Zona Romántica/Old Town) is 5 1/2 hrs driving time, 5 hrs to areas further north like the Marina, airport, etc. About the same time to La Manzanilla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Shrall Posted December 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 This new section could save a fair amount of time for those heading to PV. Instead of the traffic plus 6 traffic lights there will be a 15km wide open stretch with little traffic and no lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 25 minutes ago, John Shrall said: This new section could save a fair amount of time for those heading to PV. Instead of the traffic plus 6 traffic lights there will be a 15km wide open stretch with little traffic and no lights. Yes, but the stretch between Sayulita and PV is being worked on and traffic can be seriously backed up there. I doubt that it'll be done in 2023 at the rate they're going. They've been working on it for about 3 years now and it mostly looks like they just move dirt and rocks around from one place to another.😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 The stretch between San Pancho and La Cruz de Huanacastle is called Testosterone Alley with good reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 ... and north of San Pancho the road has no name because.... no one ever survives the drive to call it something! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mexijims1 Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 That new route does not sound to save that much time to me. You can do the Mascota route to PV airport in about 5 hours. Still, any way to avoid beginning or ending a trip to/from there through Guad sounds like some improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcscats Posted December 25, 2021 Report Share Posted December 25, 2021 23 hours ago, adolphsj said: Add 2 hours at the airport waiting for the 35 min flight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted December 25, 2021 Report Share Posted December 25, 2021 24 minutes ago, lcscats said: Add 2 hours at the airport waiting for the 35 min flight. plus 40 minutes to get there & park 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted December 25, 2021 Report Share Posted December 25, 2021 Any way you look at it, driving there is better. The scenery is spectacular and you've got transportation at the other end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Solar Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 Luxury coaches like ETN are also an enjoyable and safe way to go from Guad to PV, and taxis are cheap and abundant in PV, no driving or parking hassles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 27, 2021 Report Share Posted December 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Go Solar said: Luxury coaches like ETN are also an enjoyable and safe way to go from Guad to PV, Normally, yes. But I wouldn't call a 5 hour bus ride in the middle of a pandemic, sitting next to possibly unvaccinated people wearing flimsy masks or wearing a mask under their nose or down around their chin to be "safe" in the least. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pappysmarket Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 22 hours ago, mudgirl said: Normally, yes. But I wouldn't call a 5 hour bus ride in the middle of a pandemic, sitting next to possibly unvaccinated people wearing flimsy masks or wearing a mask under their nose or down around their chin to be "safe" in the least. Vaxed or Unvaxed makes no difference in being able to transmit the virus. Lots of breakthrough infections and asymptomatic people so if you REALLY don't want to be exposed you must stay away from everybody, not just the unvaxed. We all have choices to make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 Don't be daft. There is a huge difference. Masks and social distance of a metre in length are needed in addition to vaccination. The idea is not to get it and not to pass it on. A bus or an airplane do not meet those standards of distance and especially not if people don't wear their masks properly. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 More importantly, since for the most part those improperly made and worn face diapers don't do squat, your time of exposure when riding in a plane or bus is much more important as has been known for quite some time. Not to mention all the crazy people flying these days. We'll stick to the car for the time being. Really, when you factor in all the extra time one must allow to fly these days, you may as well drive from here to PV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whipstock Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 The entire distancing thing is arbitrary. I do feel there is common sense to be out of range of another person's sneeze or cough. https://www.forbes.com/sites/graisondangor/2021/09/19/cdcs-six-foot-social-distancing-rule-was-arbitrary-says-former-fda-commissioner/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 https://www.studyfinds.org/face-masks-wont-stop-covid-indoors/ Quote Researchers from the University of Waterloo simulated a person breathing in a large room with a cloth face mask on. Despite wearing a mask, the study finds a large buildup of aerosol droplets suspended in the air. Besides raising awareness on the vulnerability of certain face masks, these findings also emphasize the need for proper ventilation indoors. More ventilation means less of a chance for potentially viral aerosols to linger around. “There is no question it is beneficial to wear any face covering, both for protection in close proximity and at a distance in a room,” says study leader Serhiy Yarusevych, a professor of mechanical and mechatronics engineering, in a university release. “However, there is a very serious difference in the effectiveness of different masks when it comes to controlling aerosols.” Studies continue to show that aerosols exhaled by infected individuals can indeed infect others with COVID-19, even if someone is standing more than six feet away. Here's the reality which you can verify just looking around: Far and away most of the face masking out there fit this description" Quote Why do most face masks fail to offer adequate protection? Researchers theorize many people wear masks that don’t fit their face properly. As a result, many cloth and surgical masks only filter about 10 percent of exhaled aerosols. The rest make their way past the mask, most through the top, and spread into the surrounding environment. Conversely, higher-quality, more expensive N95 and KN95 masks filter over 50 percent of all aerosol droplets. One might wonder, however, if the last sentence somewhat negates the claim beginning with "There is no question..." Given the relatively high contagion of covid, particularly the last two varieties, it is hard for me to visualize how anything that allows half the aerosols to spread is really worth the trouble and expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 There is an article linked within the above article which is interesting. Which Mask Is Best For Keeping COVID-19 Away? New Research Says Use Cotton Cloth - Study Finds A single cotton layer doesn't do much but make it double or triple and of certain kinds of cotton and the difference is remarkable. My cotton masks are three layer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, Ferret said: There is an article linked within the above article which is interesting. Which Mask Is Best For Keeping COVID-19 Away? New Research Says Use Cotton Cloth - Study Finds A single cotton layer doesn't do much but make it double or triple and of certain kinds of cotton and the difference is remarkable. My cotton masks are three layer. The masks I made myself are tightly woven cotton on the outside, and a double woven blackout fabric on the inside. They also fit well with no gaps. I held that blackout fabric under a running faucet and the water just sat in it, draining really slowly. I figure those masks are pretty darn good protection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 28, 2021 Report Share Posted December 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, Mainecoons said: Given the relatively high contagion of covid, particularly the last two varieties, it is hard for me to visualize how anything that allows half the aerosols to spread is really worth the trouble and expense. What trouble and expense? There's nothing expensive about a washable, reusable mask, nor does wearing one classify as "trouble". And as you don't seem to be aware, viral load is a factor in contagion. Blocking out even 50% of aerosols is a whole lot better than blocking none at all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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