RickS Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 Bloomberg News https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-07-15/mexico-covid-crisis-amlo-government-s-response-ahead-of-delta-variant?sref=XIKtK7tr 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MtnMama Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 The THANKS button isn't working. Excellent article, well worth reading! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 Interesting piece of data here. An anomaly or a trend? Quote According to the CDC’s vaccine adverse reactions portal, there have been 4,006 deaths following Covid-19 vaccinations reported between June 26 and July 9. During the same time period, the CDC shows 3,114 deaths attributed to Covid-19. That means there have been over 28% more vaccine-related deaths than Covid-related deaths during the two-week period. This is readily checked so I won't list the source because it would just result in an ad hom deluge and none of you would go look it up like I did. The numbers are correct for the two week time period cited. And a rather interesting graph: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Mainecoons said: This is readily checked so I won't list the source because it would just result in an ad hom deluge and none of you would go look it up like I did. The numbers are correct for the two week time period cited. Did you bother to look this up? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/05/antivaccine-activists-use-government-database-side-effects-scare-public 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 Are the data correct or not? As a big fan of the CDC you should be able to tell us. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 I'm a fan of science. And data. But I realize there are nuances in any scientific database, especially those that are open to the public to add data without submission of proof which may result in false data. If you READ the article, those nuances are explained, as well as the politicization of the data itself. Such nuances are typically avoided by the Tucker Carlsons of this world. Quote People may misinterpret VAERS, which is easily searchable, as a catalog of actual side effects, rather than possible or suspected ones. And it’s easy to pull data out of context. “For those who are out to scare, there’s a lot of material there,” says Heidi Larson, director of the Vaccine Confidence Project at the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine. Take Carlson’s fearful numbers. The Fox News host did not mention the reports are not vetted, nor that among the approximately 4000 deaths after COVID-19 vaccination reported to VAERS at the time of his broadcast, nearly 80% were in people 60 and older, whose mortality from all causes is substantially higher than in younger people. “A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines,” as CDC puts it on its website. To counter misinterpretation of its data, the VAERS website prominently notes the reports do not imply causality and that any event could have happened by coincidence. The number of deaths reported after a COVID-19 vaccination as of 24 May—4863—represents just 0.0017% of more than 285 million doses of vaccine given, the agency notes in a continuously updated statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jreboll Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 Are you casting aspersions on Tucky??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby brown Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 Well good people--didn't see that one coming, did ya --HA--Just a repeat of the swine flu vaccine mandated in 1976; killed more than the flu--"people who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it" !!!!!!!!!!!!!-- that's why I didn't take that jab !--saw that coming a mile away --- HA--and that little "RAT" Fuchi-chi-I remember his fiasco on the aids scare--he really screwed that one up also--HA----take Nancy Reagans advice--"just say NO to drugs"-how poetic -wish I had better news; but people have to learn the hard way and some never do ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jreboll Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 You sure said a lot of nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 Time for a little heathy skepticism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 Like, as if Delta hits all countries at the same time. Wait. And, for the record, one shot of vaccine that requires two shots is like spitting into the wind. Which reminds me that rebuttal to any of you anti-vaxxers is also like spitting into the wind. No worries, you'll all be gone soon enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, bobby brown said: Well good people--didn't see that one coming, did ya --HA--Just a repeat of the swine flu vaccine mandated in 1976; killed more than the flu--"people who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it" !!!!!!!!!!!!!-- that's why I didn't take that jab !--saw that coming a mile away --- HA--and that little "RAT" Fuchi-chi-I remember his fiasco on the aids scare--he really screwed that one up also--HA----take Nancy Reagans advice--"just say NO to drugs"-how poetic -wish I had better news; but people have to learn the hard way and some never do ! In the USA 40 million received Swine Flu vaccinations. So according to you more than 40 million people died from Swine Flu vaccinations in the USA... WOW I never knew...... Best kept secret in history 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 It is funny how some countries and their leaders treat a health or environmental crisis with lies, others show positive leadership and explain exactly where " we" are at. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joco Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Mainecoons said: Interesting piece of data here. An anomaly or a trend? This is readily checked so I won't list the source because it would just result in an ad hom deluge and none of you would go look it up like I did. The numbers are correct for the two week time period cited. And a rather interesting graph: Fake news: "The CDC explains on its website that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires healthcare workers to report any deaths after vaccination to VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). It is also important to note that VAERS is also open for any member of the public for submissions, alongside healthcare workers (vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html). These reports do not necessarily imply that the vaccine caused the death and often include entries not yet confirmed or verified by the government agencies." https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL1N2MZ2H8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joco Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 2 hours ago, bobby brown said: Well good people--didn't see that one coming, did ya --HA--Just a repeat of the swine flu vaccine mandated in 1976; killed more than the flu--"people who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it" !!!!!!!!!!!!!-- that's why I didn't take that jab !--saw that coming a mile away --- HA--and that little "RAT" Fuchi-chi-I remember his fiasco on the aids scare--he really screwed that one up also--HA----take Nancy Reagans advice--"just say NO to drugs"-how poetic -wish I had better news; but people have to learn the hard way and some never do ! Millions more people died of swine flu than were injured by the vaccine. "CDC estimated that 151,700-575,400 people worldwide died from (H1N1)pdm09 virus infection during the first year the virus circulated.** Globally, 80 percent of (H1N1)pdm09 virus-related deaths were estimated to have occurred in people younger than 65 years of age. This differs greatly from typical seasonal influenza epidemics, during which about 70 percent to 90 percent of deaths are estimated to occur in people 65 years and older." https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/2009-h1n1-pandemic.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby brown Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Ferret said: Like, as if Delta hits all countries at the same time. Wait. And, for the record, one shot of vaccine that requires two shots is like spitting into the wind. Which reminds me that rebuttal to any of you anti-vaxxers is also like spitting into the wind. No worries, you'll all be gone soon enough. oh , contrary, the shot is not a Vaccine it's a bio-weapon and those who take it will be injured or dead within two years-and I'll have the last laugh--HA---that's my whole lot of nothing-! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunFan Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 20 minutes ago, bobby brown said: oh , contrary, the shot is not a Vaccine it's a bio-weapon and those who take it will be injured or dead within two years-and I'll have the last laugh--HA---that's my whole lot of nothing-! They walk among us. SunFan 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, bobby brown said: oh , contrary, the shot is not a Vaccine it's a bio-weapon and those who take it will be injured or dead within two years-and I'll have the last laugh--HA---that's my whole lot of nothing-! 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joco Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 5 hours ago, bobby brown said: oh , contrary, the shot is not a Vaccine it's a bio-weapon and those who take it will be injured or dead within two years-and I'll have the last laugh--HA---that's my whole lot of nothing-! I bet you had a polio, small pox, measles, mumps and other vaccines. I bet you get a tetanus vaccine. Vaccines have kept people alive. Don't get a Covid vaccine. The disease might not kill you but you can be left with life threatening problems for the rest of your life. It is a horrible disease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johanson Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 I find it hard to believe that there are so many folks out there who have yet to get their vaccine shots. I have had the same family GP up north for more than 20 years and when he suggested that I get my vaccine shots as soon as practical in January of this year, I did as he suggested. (in spite of what was being posted in Facebook etc.) I trust my Doctor. I hope you will check with yours as well, should you not be planning to get your vaccine shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Bowie Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 39 minutes ago, johanson said: I find it hard to believe that there are so many folks out there who have yet to get their vaccine shots. I have had the same family GP up north for more than 20 years and when he suggested that I get my vaccine shots as soon as practical in January of this year, I did as he suggested. (in spite of what was being posted in Facebook etc.) I trust my Doctor. I hope you will check with yours as well, should you not be planning to get your vaccine shots. Why would anyone go to a doctor for anything if you can't trust what they tell you.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Jim Bowie said: Why would anyone go to a doctor for anything if you can't trust what they tell you.? Wow. Because they have the background and the knowledge that you don't? Do you take your car to a mechanic? Do you hire plumbers or electricians or carpenters when you need them? Do you climb tall trees that have to be pruned? Do you hire legal advice when needed? etc. etc. ? I'm not saying take the FIRST one since it's advisable to get multiple opinions (at least three) for anything that you yourself are not qualified to do. But, holy moly, that's an incredible statement for you to make. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby brown Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 well--that's why you shop around--there are a lot of quacks out their--HA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby brown Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Joco said: I bet you had a polio, small pox, measles, mumps and other vaccines. I bet you get a tetanus vaccine. Vaccines have kept people alive. Don't get a Covid vaccine. The disease might not kill you but you can be left with life threatening problems for the rest of your life. It is a horrible disease. you have everything backwards--this RNA jab was created before the so called virus--create a problem and the cure quickly appears within months--this is all planned to line the pockets of the big pharma--follow the money--big pharma is laughing all the way to the bank-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby brown Posted July 19, 2021 Report Share Posted July 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Jim Bowie said: Why would anyone go to a doctor for anything if you can't trust what they tell you.? Maybe should find another doctor--your doctor sounds like he just milking until he dies--he's only human don't you know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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