Carnivore Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202103/1217754.shtml Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 4 minutes ago, Carnivore said: https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202103/1217754.shtml The Global Times is published by the Chinese Communist Party. It is not in any way, shape or form, a newspaper. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Times Quote The Global Times is a daily tabloid newspaper under the auspices of the Chinese Communist Party's flagship People's Daily newspaper, commenting on international issues from a nationalistic perspective. The newspaper has been the source of various incidents, including fabrications and disinformation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 So does that mean they are not correct in this particular article? You have, and continue to, spread a lot of doubt about this vaccine as though you are on a crusade. Just don´t take it and allow all of us that has, suffer the consequences. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 If you want to rely on the Chinese government for your news, be my guest. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/19/china/china-vaccine-disinformation-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.politico.com/newsletters/global-pulse/2021/01/28/what-chinas-vax-trolling-adds-up-to-491548 Takeaways: AP investigation of China COVID-19 disinformation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 17 hours ago, Bisbee Gal said: If you want to rely on the Chinese government for your news, be my guest. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/19/china/china-vaccine-disinformation-intl-hnk/index.html https://www.politico.com/newsletters/global-pulse/2021/01/28/what-chinas-vax-trolling-adds-up-to-491548 Takeaways: AP investigation of China COVID-19 disinformation I don´t read or rely on the Chinese government for MY news, ever......and that´s not the topic here, vaccine is. But I will take their vaccine as that is being used in many countries and you can monitor the Chinese news. How many articles or products have you bought that was labelled "MADE IN CHINA" that would make you an authority on the vaccine as being not useful. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 Mexico ordered and has started recieving 20,000,000 Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines from China and 22,000,000 Sputnik V from Russia and 5,400,000 Pfizer. These are 2 jabs each, I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpha1 Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, AlanMexicali said: Mexico ordered and has started recieving 20,000,000 Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines fron China and 22,000,000 Sputnik V from Russia and 5,400,000 Pfizer. These are 2 jabs each, I think. Confused between Sinovac and Sinopharm? What to know about their COVID-19 vaccines https://news.abs-cbn.com/spotlight/12/30/20/confused-between-sinovac-and-sinopharm-what-to-know-about-their-covid-19-vaccines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/china-coronavirus-singapore-data/2021/03/23/7a0582ca-8afc-11eb-a33e-da28941cb9ac_story.html China’s Vaccine Diplomacy Stumbles As Clinical Trial Data Remains Absent By Eva Dou and Shibani Mahtani March 22, 2021 at 11:02 p.m. CST Last month, a shipment of Sinovac coronavirus vaccine doses arrived without fanfare in Singapore from China. Today, the vaccine sits unused in a storage facility. The wealthy city-state is moving ahead with Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna shots for its coronavirus immunization program, with officials saying Sinovac needs to provide more data before they will consider rolling out its doses. The case highlights the limitations of Beijing’s vaccine diplomacy. China’s lack of transparency in its clinical trials has hurt public confidence, even as national leaders from Indonesia to Sierra Leone have gotten the shots to rally their populations to do the same. China’s coronavirus vaccine makers Sinovac and Sinopharm were among the earliest in the world to begin clinical trials last year. It remains unclear why they still have not published the data from the studies, even after dozens of governments have greenlighted their vaccines for emergency use. “It’s extremely unusual,” said Peter English, a British expert in communicable-disease control, of the widespread use of these vaccines before the publication of peer-reviewed data. “It leaves a lot of questions.” There have been signs the Sinovac and Sinopharm vaccines are less effective than hoped, even as Beijing is pushing for foreigners to use them and enjoy streamlined access to resume travel to China. This week, Sinopharm’s distributor in the United Arab Emirates said a “very small number” of people are being invited to take a third dose of the vaccine after insufficient antibody response from the first two doses. State-owned pharma giant Sinopharm has self-reported a 79 percent efficacy rate. Smaller rival Sinovac’s efficacy rate has varied in trials from 50.4 percent in Brazil — barely above the 50 percent threshold that governments find usable — to over 80 percent in Turkey. The Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, Sinopharm and Sinovac did not respond to requests for comment. China’s coronavirus vaccines remain oversubscribed by developing countries, as wealthier nations hoard the most effective vaccines made by U.S. biotech company Moderna and U.S. pharmaceutical firm Pfizer with its German partner BioNTech. China had a head start on coronavirus vaccinations. It’s now falling behind the West. In Singapore’s case, the government has the luxury of a small population of 5.7 million people to immunize and more effective vaccines at hand. Chong Ja Ian, an associate professor of political science at the National University of Singapore, said Singapore’s government did not turn down the Sinovac vaccine, which would be an affront to Beijing, but regulators also couldn’t approve its use on such limited data. “Singapore has options, unlike some of the countries who have received Sinovac,” Chong said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 12 hours ago, slainte39 said: I don´t read or rely on the Chinese government for MY news, ever......and that´s not the topic here, vaccine is. But I will take their vaccine as that is being used in many countries and you can monitor the Chinese news. Ahhhh....you have this backwards. None of the news stories I have posted have been from China. My first post in this thread was to point out that the OP's news source was NOT to be trusted as it is an arm of the Chinese Communist Party. I agree that the topic is the vaccine. I have no idea if this vax is safe or effective, though I sincerely hope it is. But the Chinese government's refusal to release clinical trial data is an issue that people should be aware of. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 Sigh. ANY vaccine is going to be better than nothing. Should those of us who have no other place to get vaccinated, do nothing or do something? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 Vaccines that have been peer reviewed are available in Mexico. Some posters here have gotten Pfizer in nearby Guadalajara. Other posters believe that Pfizer and other peer reviewed vaccines will be available soon via private clinics or doctors. At yesterday's press conference AMLO announced the supply of AstraZeneca from the US will arrive Sunday or Monday. Everyone has to decide what is best for them. And again, it is very possible that the Chinese vax are safe and effective. But their refusal to allow peer reviews of their clinical data is rightfully being questioned in most countries. The OP was a rah-rah endorsement of Sinovac put out by the Chinese Government/Communist Party propaganda "news" media. My intention was to provide information on Chinese vaccines from legitimate newspapers or sources. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 To be honest, I've read more bad things about AstraZeneca than either the Russian or Chinese vaccines. Have you read anything negative about them other than the lack of transparency in their testing data? They are in a lot of people's arms worldwide now. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPanda Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 Did I not hear last night that the US is postponing delivery of AstraZeneca to Mexico because of yesterday's study reports? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guiness Posted March 25, 2021 Report Share Posted March 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Ferret said: Sigh. ANY vaccine is going to be better than nothing. Should those of us who have no other place to get vaccinated, do nothing or do something? We took the Sinovac in Chapala last Sunday. Zero reactions to all good. We plan on some Europe travel this fall so we were very happy to take this. My daughter in Toronto is a doctor and she said that the Sinovac may in fact be the best choice against all the varients. Guess time will tell. ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 France is working on a vaccine passport and the Russians and Chinese vaccines will not be accepted... so much for me I will have to go in quarentine if I go back even if I received the 2 Sinovac shots... and so much for the chairman of Sinovac.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcscats Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 7:30 AM, Ferret said: To be honest, I've read more bad things about AstraZeneca than either the Russian or Chinese vaccines. Have you read anything negative about them other than the lack of transparency in their testing data? They are in a lot of people's arms worldwide now. Problem is you have not read anything about the vaccine we are being offered here. After much looking I found results for Sinovac. The first two studies consisted of 600 people. Pfizer had 40,000 in initial studies. Moderna had 30,000 people in initial study. Unless a study is missing they experimented on the Brazil people. I hope they are just being tight with info but from what I can see I will wait. I can't see study I assume it doesn't exist. Your mileage may vary. Your opinion may vary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowyco Posted April 12, 2021 Report Share Posted April 12, 2021 How does Sinovac's 83% efficacy, from a 10.000 patient study out of Turkey work for people here in Mexico? Realize, the supposed "50.38%" Efficacy report from Brazil is not valid. ... The Brazilian 'study' of Sinovac was so small that there were just 88 total vaccinated patients who were counted in the %Efficacy calculation and just 175 total unvaccinated (Control Group) patients with COVID for the Brazilian's %Efficacy report. When a study has just 88 patients in the Treatment Group (vaccinated patients wtih COVID), that is pitifully small, and the conclusions are not valid ... meaning the Brazilians supposed "50.38%" Sinovac efficacy should be ignored as too small a study to be meaningful. In contrast, the bigger 10,000 patient Turkish study showed Sinovac 83.5% efficacy, and Sinovac was 100% effective in stopping severe illness & hospitalization. ... and there were no significant side effects. https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-turkey-sinovac-int-idUSKBN2AV18P Notice that 83.5% Sinovac efficacy is 10% smaller than Pfizer or Moderna, but it is 10% larger than Oxford AstraZenica, and 30% larger than JnJ. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 According to Bisbee Gal, it´s not the efficacy study that´s the problem, it´s the fact that it was made by the Chinese. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dichosalocura Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 If they are finding all kinds of serious problems with the various Covid vaccines in the USA and Europe, only God knows what problems the Sinovac may potentially prove to have down the road. Take at your own risk I say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 Considering the number of countries and people who have taken the Sinovac, don't you think anything bad would have been reported long before now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte39 Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ferret said: Considering the number of countries and people who have taken the Sinovac, don't you think anything bad would have been reported long before now? It has been reported, numerous times on this board, and it is.......... Sinovac was developed and produced by the Chinese. What else could you possibly want to know............No phobia like a China phobia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dichosalocura Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Ferret said: Considering the number of countries and people who have taken the Sinovac, don't you think anything bad would have been reported long before now? If I am not mistaken, I think that Sinovac has been going mostly to the poor and also developing countries like México, Turkey, and Brazil to name a few. Most of these countries are just happy to get a vaccine, any vaccine for their people. Only time will tell how effective it turns out to be in the long run or what side effects it may have. I just prefer to not be a guinea pig. If only 48 people have died in the municipality of Chapala in the last year in a half since the virus has come out. I take that as a very small chance of actually dying from it. I'm seriously more worried about crossing Avenue Madero then dying from Covid. I will gladly prefer someone who is sickly and very elderly to get in line for the vaccine if they feel they must. I'll just sit on the sidelines and watch how all this plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowyco Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 The latest results for the Brazilian "Phase III" trial results for Sinovac's "Coronavac" are in ... and the results reveal a poorly conducted study with only a tiny group of just " 85 COVID cases ... in the vaccine group" and a trivial "168 COVID cases" in the placebo-Control group. Who believes a study that has just 85 patients in the Treatment Group (vaccinated patients) and a paltry 168 patients in the Control group for the key %Efficacy report ? Seriously ... Why believe the NY Times and AP and other Big Media source talking heads who only repeat the HEADLINE of "50.7% Low Efficacy for Chinese Sinovac " when they don't even bother to read the study to find the key %Efficacy calculation-conclusion was based on just 88 TOTAL Vaccinated patients... ? => An invalid result, due to too small of a group of patients. Notice that the big Sinovac study in Turkey shows 84% efficacy versus the tiny Brazilian study's "50.7%" . Here's the actual research report that exposes the NY Times, AP et al's sloppy, lazy reporting https://static.poder360.com.br/2021/04/estudo-preliminar-coronavac-11.abr_.2021.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 11:38 AM, Guiness said: We plan on some Europe travel this fall so we were very happy to take this. That is exactly why I don't want the Sinovac. It may not be accepted by other countries if they require proof of vaccination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostlylost Posted April 13, 2021 Report Share Posted April 13, 2021 You can take the Sinovac now, and have some measure of protection. When something else you deem better comes along you can take it at that time. Waiting, on the off chance that a country might not accept any one brand of vaccine, just makes it harder for Mexico to approach heard immunity. France is now recommending a third dose of Pfizer & Moderna for people with "compromised" immune systems. So Will some people need to prove they have received 3 doses to enter France?? Doubtful Just get vaccinated now to protect us all. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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