#HarryB Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 https://m.facebook.com/GobiernoDeChapala/photos/pcb.2798664070373208/2798663903706558/?type=3&source=48&refid=12&__tn__=EH 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjillin Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 41 minutes ago, #HarryB said: https://m.facebook.com/GobiernoDeChapala/photos/pcb.2798664070373208/2798663903706558/?type=3&source=48&refid=12&__tn__=EH Sterility seems to be the design of the day for plaza rebuilds. Wide open spaces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 32 minutes ago, happyjillin said: Sterility seems to be the design of the day for plaza rebuilds. Wide open spaces. Exactly Those architectural renderings show the place basically denuded. If this is really what they have in mind we need to come together as a community and stop this before it happens or we'll end up like Chapala. Garden club would be a good leader, anyone here from there? IMO as an architect engineer these renderings are what might be expected from high school students, not professional architects. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#HarryB Posted December 4, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Looks like a parking lot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, mudgirl said: Looks like a parking lot. Because it is not the plaza. Until HarryB posted in another thread what the rendering represents I thought it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjillin Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Was it really necessary to start two simultaneous threads about the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjillin Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Mainecoons said: Exactly Those architectural renderings show the place basically denuded. If this is really what they have in mind we need to come together as a community and stop this before it happens or we'll end up like Chapala. Garden club would be a good leader, anyone here from there? IMO as an architect engineer these renderings are what might be expected from high school students, not professional architects. "like" thingie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 For non-FB users, here are the drawings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, happyjillin said: Was it really necessary to start two simultaneous threads about the same thing. I applaud HarryB for starting a thread of his own not tainted by ignorant off focus rants. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjillin Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 50 minutes ago, happyjillin said: Was it really necessary to start two simultaneous threads about the same thing. do you applaud for the same subject being OP'd at the same time then? What would happen if we all did that-eh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, #HarryB said: ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Harry look at how they depict the area around the middle band stand. It is hard to judge what they are proposing if this is not properly represented showing the location of everything including trees, benches, art work, gardens. Professional renderings include the adjacent so one can see how it all fits together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudgirl Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Still looks like a parking lot. Doesn't look at all conducive to people wanting to hang out there and visit with friends. All those benches will probably still be as vacant in reality as they are in the rendering. There's reasons why plazas in some towns are filled with people and a vibrant slice of local life. This doesn't look like one of those. What it looks like is something designed by a 30 year-old whose taste runs to all-white and grey homes furnished exclusively with the generic Ikea-look. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrbower Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 It seems that the only changes, for construction purposes, are along the Northern side of the plaza in front of the Jardin restaurant, the community center, and the old chapel. That means the restaurant is pretty much out of business and that is the prettiest part of the plaza. Also in danger are the seating areas for the coffee shop and newly remodeled bar. Likewise say goodbye to the taco, burger, and hot dog vendors and the produce lady. Probably the craft vendors along the walkway of Guadalupe Victoria. So anything that makes the area unique and charming is in danger. I'm in favor of cleaning up the town and repairing the crappy streets. I'm not sure if putting TV, high speed internet, electrical, and phone cables underground is worth the trouble considering the impact that will have on local business, traffic, and service interruptions now and into the future when those services need to be updated. The Chapala government should be careful what they wish for. Local input should be sought and valued and if that can't happen then they should say no thanks to the Pueblo Magico program... especially since once changes are made, the program evolves only to promote more regional tourism. Is that really what the area needs or wants? Lots of current infrastructure is already stretched to the breaking point. Any plans to do those updates? The current Pueblo Magico program is unfunded. I'm not sure how they plan to cover the costs since all governments are struggling as well as the local businesses and individuals who are really fighting to stay alive. Be very careful...Alan 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjillin Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, barrbower said: It seems that the only changes, for construction purposes, are along the Northern side of the plaza in front of the Jardin restaurant, the community center, and the old chapel. That means the restaurant is pretty much out of business and that is the prettiest part of the plaza. Also in danger are the seating areas for the coffee shop and newly remodeled bar. Likewise say goodbye to the taco, burger, and hot dog vendors and the produce lady. Probably the craft vendors along the walkway of Guadalupe Victoria. So anything that makes the area unique and charming is in danger. I'm in favor of cleaning up the town and repairing the crappy streets. I'm not sure if putting TV, high speed internet, electrical, and phone cables underground is worth the trouble considering the impact that will have on local business, traffic, and service interruptions now and into the future when those services need to be updated. The Chapala government should be careful what they wish for. Local input should be sought and valued and if that can't happen then they should say no thanks to the Pueblo Magico program... especially since once changes are made, the program evolves only to promote more regional tourism. Is that really what the area needs or wants? Lots of current infrastructure is already stretched to the breaking point. Any plans to do those updates? The current Pueblo Magico program is unfunded. I'm not sure how they plan to cover the costs since all governments are struggling as well as the local businesses and individuals who are really fighting to stay alive. Be very careful...Alan Bang on!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 I would suggest that the administration gives no hoot or holler what foreigners like or even think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 Just now, AngusMactavish said: I would suggest that the administration gives no hoot or holler what foreigners, like, or even think. Seems to be mainly Mexicans raising hell about it on Facebook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, barrbower said: It seems that the only changes, for construction purposes, are along the Northern side of the plaza in front of the Jardin restaurant, the community center, and the old chapel. That means the restaurant is pretty much out of business and that is the prettiest part of the plaza. Also in danger are the seating areas for the coffee shop and newly remodeled bar. Likewise say goodbye to the taco, burger, and hot dog vendors and the produce lady. Probably the craft vendors along the walkway of Guadalupe Victoria. So anything that makes the area unique and charming is in danger. I'm in favor of cleaning up the town and repairing the crappy streets. I'm not sure if putting TV, high speed internet, electrical, and phone cables underground is worth the trouble considering the impact that will have on local business, traffic, and service interruptions now and into the future when those services need to be updated. The Chapala government should be careful what they wish for. Local input should be sought and valued and if that can't happen then they should say no thanks to the Pueblo Magico program... especially since once changes are made, the program evolves only to promote more regional tourism. Is that really what the area needs or wants? Lots of current infrastructure is already stretched to the breaking point. Any plans to do those updates? The current Pueblo Magico program is unfunded. I'm not sure how they plan to cover the costs since all governments are struggling as well as the local businesses and individuals who are really fighting to stay alive. Be very careful...Alan Darn good analysis Alan!!!! 👍👍👍👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 On 11/29/2020 at 4:36 PM, lcscats said: OK I got this from the boss of the Jardin. They don't know what is going to happen exactly but Issues like new water lines and new pavers of some kind may close it down but when its over they will open back up the outdoor seating. They rent the space from Chapala and he said he will help lay stone if thats what it takes to get the outdoor space open. This was four days ago that I talked to him. This was posted in an earlier thread. Just because there are no chairs, tables or umbrellas in the drawings does not necessarily mean the Jardin Plaza restaurant's outdoor seating is gone for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 10 minutes ago, Mainecoons said: Seems to be mainly Mexicans raising hell about it on Facebook. They have a voice, community respect, and a vote. How about you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cedros Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 I like open spaces. The plaza in Jocotepec is the nicest Lakeside. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 47 minutes ago, AngusMactavish said: They have a voice, community respect, and a vote. How about you? I pay taxes here. How about you? I also live in Ajijic. How about you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Mainecoons said: I pay taxes here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Bisbee Gal said: This was posted in an earlier thread. Just because there are no chairs, tables or umbrellas in the drawings does not necessarily mean the Jardin Plaza restaurant's outdoor seating is gone for good. It does mean a lot more clarification is needed. I suspect if put to a community vote one would find a general consensus that most are quite satisfied with our plaza, like the restaurant and coffee shop seating on it, like the vendors on it and would much rather see the money spent on fixing the dismal condition of the streets and sidewalks and the pier here. Maybe some of the realtors would like to turn it into Carmel by the lake but I believe they are in the minority. And Angus, you are right. Nobody here cares about the opinion of Chapala residents like yourself regarding the Ajijic Plaza. So why don't you butt out of this thread that doesn't concern you. I notice you also like to insult Pedro who in fact has lifted quite a few fingers to help Chapala. I'm sure he could give you some suggestions as to how to become a positive force in your community instead of a negative force in ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted December 4, 2020 Report Share Posted December 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Mainecoons said: ...instead of a negative force in ours. That's you, your mate, and your cat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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