lakeside7 Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 From time to time I am reminded that "foreigners" in Mexico are sometimes "tolerated " but never never totally accepted. And by fellow "foreigners" we are guests here As was the situation that surfaced at our recent Fraccemento Asamblea Extraordinaria As is the case with "all" Fracs or Coto associations, from time to time the tranquility and living in Paradise gets a rude awakening.... some Fraccs more frequent then others..never a question of if it will happen... but when. Without going into the fine detail for the reason for calling the special meeting....... suffice to say some of the board members ( foreigners) were concerned with the behaviour of the President (Mexican). There has been a lot of wrangling as to who has authority to call the meeting etc etc., but never the less it was called. It was probably one of the largest turn out of home owners (mainly Mexican) , and one could sense the tension in the air between "Them" and "Us" Trying to ward off and deflect any detractors, the attorney skillfully was able to reach agreement for how the meeting would proceed. Importantly, that all questions or challenges to the detail presented, would be held at the end of the meeting, and recorded...... but no response would be given from the President. It was during end period when any attendees were given 3 minutes to voice their thoughts, concerns, options etc that the Gulf between Thee and Me surfaced. As is the case during these extraordinary meetings there will be wise (Mexican) academic's who call's for respect.... we can work together ewtc etc., .......and then a couple of "Them" reminded the meeting that this is Mexico and they are in charge and do not wish any foreign intervention. Last and pathic.... a Gringa who gushed, pathetically and patronisingly about how wonderful it is to live in this country, beautiful people and remember we are GUESTS IN THIS COUNTRY...that touches a raw nerve for me. I AM not a Guest I am a Legal Immigrant with the status of RESIDENTE PERMANENTE The true Mexican feelings........ Stay in Your Box Gringo ..we would rather have a "bad" Mexican than a "qualified foreigner" run the show 1 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jreboll Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 It’s difficult to opine without knowing specifics. You could very well be the one who is out of line. We’ll never know. 2 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheldon Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 I feel that things are perceived differently here than in the US... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jreboll Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 A Mexican going to the US would feel the same way. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 ....or worse! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 Not knowing the situation or having been at the meeting noone can take sides.. Board meetngs can be really nasty whether here or in the STates and that is why we will never by in a fracc or a condominium after having that experience in the US.. Add to this the cultural gaps and language gap for many and you have a nasty mix.. The woman who said she was a gues was a permanent as well? agree permanent are immigrant and immigrants are never looked at as a full citizen, actually am a citizen and in some cases I have been referred to as the foreigner.. We do the same thing in France.. Years ago I got sick in a village where I spent a lot of my vacations and so did my father as a kid and my grand-fater. I understand the dialect there and the woman who was running the hotel who by her accent happened to be an ex colonist from Algeria referredto me as the foreigner because I spoke English with my husband. SHe did not mean anything by it but the us and them and alive and well everywhere so get used to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el blanco barba Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 Jreboll, a bit O.T., but I have several good friends here in the States who are originally from the Guadalajara area, and I am constantly shamed by the crap that they silently endure. Getting back to the O.P., interesting dynamic being described here. We had a vacation place at the beach here, where we had zero input on issues that effected our property rights, use and enjoyment, even though our taxes supported the local gov't and infrastructure. I'm wondering how being a permanent resident of Mexico, who is still a citizen of another country, would be much different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainecoons Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 Fraccs here, HOAs there, same old politics. Avoided both here and there. Glad I did. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xena Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, el blanco barba said: Jreboll, a bit O.T., but I have several good friends here in the States who are originally from the Guadalajara area, and I am constantly shamed by the crap that they silently endure. Getting back to the O.P., interesting dynamic being described here. We had a vacation place at the beach here, where we had zero input on issues that effected our property rights, use and enjoyment, even though our taxes supported the local gov't and infrastructure. I'm wondering how being a permanent resident of Mexico, who is still a citizen of another country, would be much different? If you choose to get involved your input will be listened to politely and whatever was going to happen will happen anyway. It has nothing to do with which country you are a citizen of and everything to do with how much money and power you have and how connected you are. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el blanco barba Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, Xena said: If you choose to get involved your input will be listened to politely and whatever was going to happen will happen anyway. It has nothing to do with which country you are a citizen of and everything to do with how much money and power you have and how connected you are. The universal grease... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xena Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 8 minutes ago, el blanco barba said: The universal grease... Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeser Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 2 hours ago, gringal said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solajijic Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 No titles. No bank trust available. Just makes me shiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted June 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 Well thank you Gringal for totally taking my post down an other rabbit hole..If you wish to start a different subject/issue please do so, but do not contaminate my subject Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 1 minute ago, lakeside7 said: Well thank you Gringal for totally taking my post down an other rabbit hole..If you wish to start a different subject/issue please do so, but do not contaminate my subject I had no intention of ruining your topic and am sorry you are offended. I will do what I can to change that by attempting to transfer that information to a new topic and delete my post on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jreboll Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 Lakeside7 seems to have an agenda which he never fully explained but wants everyone to listen to his rant. Let’s all pat him on the back and tell him how sorry we feel and go on to Gringal’s topic 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 41 minutes ago, geeser said: Gringal, foreigners can not hold title to land on the coast nor within many miles of the frontier. The property must be held in a Mexican bank trust. Mine had a $500+ annual fee. After paying it for many years, I believe the USA should have a reciprocal policy. Geeser, please delete my portion of this post. Lakeside 7 has requested that I put it in a separate topic, which I have. Feel free to move your comment to that thread. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringal Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Jreboll said: Lakeside7 seems to have an agenda which he never fully explained but wants everyone to listen to his rant. Let’s all pat him on the back and tell him how sorry we feel and go on to Gringal’s topic Smile. 🖖Some folks are possessive of their topics. I thought "thread wander excellence" was achieved in the bra fitting thread. Couldn't top that if I wanted to, but anyway, I've opened a new thread on titles near the coast. Go there if that's of interest to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeser Posted June 24, 2019 Report Share Posted June 24, 2019 52 minutes ago, gringal said: I had no intention of ruining your topic and am sorry you are offended. I will do what I can to change that by attempting to transfer that information to a new topic and delete my post on this one. Gee I would have thought Lakeside was into recycling. But OK we will use up more space with a new topic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xena Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 Rereading the OP, I see nothing to respond or add to. I hope lakeside7 feels better after ranting away for awhile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gringohombre Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 This whole thread is a joke...Fricks, Fracs, Cotas, or whatever; you have to be insane to get involved with any of this. All of this "gated community" and people huddled together and forming "associations" is a recipe for disaster. When I decided to move full time here 11 years ago I came for 2 weeks (I already knew the area since I had been doing business here for 20 years) to scout the area I already had targeted (SAT) for a rental. I got lucky on my last day to find the lake view perfect luxury home. The owners, a rich Guadalajara family, wanted the rent in US dollars but I insisted that it be in Mexican pesos. I am still at the same place with annual rental increase of less than 5% in pesos that I negotiated at the start. So if you do the math, with the $US conversion rate almost doubled in value, I am sitting pretty at a rent actually lower than when i started 11 years ago. I also have the option of simply not renewing my lease if something uncomfortable comes up. To each their own but all of this Frick, Frack, Cotas nonsense is insane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 I agree I had that experience once in the States and that was enough for a lifetime.. My sister went through the same thing in France. People are the same everywhere and you are way better off staying away fro homeowner associations... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yo1 Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 lakeside 7 said: I AM not a Guest I am a Legal Immigrant with the status of RESIDENTE PERMANENTE The Mexican government can cancel your temporal or permanente anytime with no recourse from the visa holder. That makes all of us guests in this country. Those who think otherwise are arrogant and foolish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 no you are not guests you are immigrants who can be treated like everywhere else in the world.. when politics change all bets are off.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xena Posted June 25, 2019 Report Share Posted June 25, 2019 9 hours ago, bmh said: no you are not guests you are immigrants who can be treated like everywhere else in the world.. when politics change all bets are off.. When people move from another country to the U.S. or Canada they are immigrants. When people move from the U.S. or Canada to live in Mexico they are “expats.” I guess they prefer being members of the expat community than the immigrant community. 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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