Jackie Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Several of you may know of, or have used the services of the small appliance / TV repair shop in SJC. This is a long established three generation family shop, and it is the son Jesus, whose wife is hospitalized and in need of urgent surgery. As we all know medical - hospital expenses and after-care are expensive and have to be paid out of pocket. Several local people have started a collection to help this family in need. If you would like to help, please send me a PM, and I can direct you to the person organizing this effort. You can also stop by the shop and offer a donation , etc.. Your kindness and help is appreciated ! This matter is serious, and I ask that people be respectful by making posting that are helpful and not frivolous, as sometimes happens with other posts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bontepar Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 Seguro Popular it is for free and IMSS it is very resonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted April 10, 2019 Report Share Posted April 10, 2019 What may be reasonable to you is not many locals. SP is not totally free either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kam Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 SP is not free - IMS is unlikely to cover any pre-exisiting conditions and these are not helpful or informed contributions. It is just another bossy gringo giving bad info because, you know, we know better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bontepar Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 Have some foresight, Get IMSS when you are healthy, like I did, and you will not have any problems, I had surgery, and....many treatments, all first class and VERY reasonable annual fixed cost the problem is that most Americans do not understand government run health care, if it is Social it is NOT GOOD!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 3 hours ago, oregontochapala said: SP is NOT free and in fact, does not cover all illnesses. Many tests like MRIs must be paid out of pocket before surgery. There is a shortage of drugs used to treat many illnesses and must also be bought on the economy. Kyle is correct that paying for treatment is out of reach for many Nationals. " The Seguro Popular and the Health Programs in the Government ... - terceridad.net PDFterceridad.net> 30_Gob_GDF> SMyMG public and now; 3) The Seguro Popular Health Insurance (SPS). ... radiography, tomography, ultrasound and magnetic resonance [MRI] where it is available); X-Ray, Ultrasound, Magnetic Resonance and Mastography https://tabasco.gob.mx> transact> servici ... Service of Diagnostic Assistants (X-Ray, Ultrasound, Resonance [MRI] ... Seguro Popular Policy [if affiliated] in force." If she goes to the Hospital Civico - Seguro Popular - in Guadalajara to Emergency they will do what they can for no charge even if she is not enrolled. Their policy is to not refuse anyone in an emeregency full services available. This includes tourists. Shortage of medicines in clinics and specialists consulations is a past problem and reorganized to supply what they expect to use. If not there come back with the stamped out of stock prescription next week. Simple if you know your written perscription medicine if not very common will be in the next order and show up that day. You need to ask. Emergency rooms are well supply for any emergency with medicines. SP now has 294 diagnosis and treatment of illnesses. Almost everything except dialysis which will come soon either to the SP or IMSS. https://www.gob.mx/salud|seguropopular/documentos/catalogo-universal-de-servicios-de-salud-causes-2018-153111 https://www.eluniversal.com.mx/nacion/sociedad/piden-incluir-hemodialisis-y-dialisis-en-seguro-popular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 57 minutes ago, kam said: SP is not free - IMS is unlikely to cover any pre-exisiting conditions and these are not helpful or informed contributions. It is just another bossy gringo giving bad info because, you know, we know better. You are the one not informed. SP is free to about 98 percent of the 57 million clients it services. If you know better why not prove it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bontepar Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 YES!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 I guess nobody read the posters last paragraph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, lakeside7 said: I guess nobody read the posters last paragraph I certainly did and see no reason for anyone going to a private hospital they cannot afford when SP is available to them 45 miles away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Posted April 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 Ladies and Gentlemen - The purpose of this post was to ask for help for a Mexican family, without posting a whole lot of personal information about the situation. As a FYI the person is in an IMMS hospital. However , there are always expenses involved for families when a person is ill, is hospitalized and needing surgery, with needed follow up aftercare and those associated expenses.. Alan, thank you for the specific coverage information. Bontepar, I am happy for your wonderful foresight and financial situation to take advantage of the Mexican health care system to take care of your health needs. Not all Mexican Nationals are as fortunate as you financially . Reading the post, your options were to help or not help or by pass the posting, and avoid a back and forth [ snarky ] exchange about who is right or wrong about the health care system, which ultimately dilutes the purpose of the initial post., . . Help if you like, or ………………... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bontepar Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 I would help if warranted, I do not see it in this case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Natasha Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 bontepar said: Have some foresight, Get IMSS when you are healthy, like I did, and you will not have any problems, It's apparent you don't KNOW Mexico. Do you really think it's that easy for many Mexicans to pay for IMSS? Do you understand that IMSS requires the entire family to be registered, each at a cost per person depending on age, and perhaps that is more than the family can afford? Do you understand that if a worker is registered in his employment, monthly payments come off their paycheck end the employer pays the premiums, but if a private family registers they have to pay annually like we do and that can be WAY out of their budget? ( In this case the family has IMSS but as Jackie says, there are still many outside costs involved) Do you know that SP requires payment for many medications AND many services if outside the ordinary range of circumstances, so while it is "free" and provides for essentials, it is not "free" in the sense you intimate. A Mexican friend recently needed surgery to repair severe knee injury and was quoted $4,000 pesos over and above the "free" part of SP even though he was a member! So I'm sorry bontepar, but your arrogant attitude towards this situation is unwarranted and does not bode well for your integration into Mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kam Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 I do have SP and know it does not cover everything so it is not free. Do you require receipts, Alan? 12 hours ago, AlanMexicali said: You are the one not informed. SP is free to about 98 percent of the 57 million clients it services. If you know better why not prove it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bontepar Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 The opening statement |medical - hospital expenses and after-care are expensive and have to be paid out of pocket. IT IS FALSE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suegarn Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 13 hours ago, bontepar said: I would help if warranted, I do not see it in this case bontepar, since you don't want to help this family, why do you continue to post comments? People that actually want to help don't need your input. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Rupert Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 Ah, if only we had pockets as deep as bontepar and all his knowedge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHILLIN Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 hours ago, Natasha said: A Mexican friend recently needed surgery to repair severe knee injury and was quoted $4,000 pesos over and above the "free" part of SP even though he was a member! Ahh - he must have opted for the titanium pins add on, rather than the free surgical stainless steel - correct? Sometimes the public hospital specialists opt for special equipment that they are trained on, but have to rent from outside sources. I don't ever think they ever receive any substantial kickback, it just as specialists who have spent many, many years in school and as interns are mostly geeks. Geeks like all the cool toys. The outcome is what matters though, and usually the specialised equipment is safer and with a better outcome. Imagine if the patient had to pay the cost of a surgical team, followup and dressings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bontepar Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 2 hours ago, suegarn said: bontepar, since you don't want to help this family, why do you continue to post comments? People that actually want to help don't need your input. I do not think you can tell me to shut up, is it there free speech? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanMexicali Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 18 hours ago, kam said: SP is not free - IMS is unlikely to cover any pre-exisiting conditions and these are not helpful or informed contributions. It is just another bossy gringo giving bad info because, you know, we know better. 17 hours ago, AlanMexicali said: You are the one not informed. SP is free to about 98 percent of the 57 million clients it services. If you know better why not prove it? 4 hours ago, kam said: I do have SP and know it does not cover everything so it is not free. Do you require receipts, Alan? Your first post claim is false. You claim SP is not free. It is free. You use the definative statement which means all 57 million members pay to use the SP everytime they go there. False. Some may pay something sometimes. See Chillin's post. He knows how to write without forgeting high school English classes where we learn not to use definative statements unless there is proof available. Your answer to my rebuttal is the same. You need to bone up on writing a claim that might be true instead of false. Other posters will read what is written here and possibly be misled by your lack of better writing skills thinking you're correct instead of wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kam Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 Thank you for your lengthy tutorial. I stand - or more properly kneel - humbled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiny Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 1 hour ago, AlanMexicali said: Your first post claim is false. You claim SP is not free. It is free. You use the definative statement which means all 57 million members pay to use the SP everytime they go there. False. Some may pay something sometimes. See Chillin's post. He knows how to write without forgeting high school English classes where we learn not to use definative statements unless there is proof available. Your answer to my rebuttal is the same. You need to bone up on writing a claim that might be true instead of false. Other posters will read what is written here and possibly be misled by your lack of better writing skills thinking you're correct instead of wrong. Maybe you should start grading our posts. I know mine are F- HAHAHAHAHA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Posted April 11, 2019 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 I started this post for one purpose only , and have now asked one of the Moderators to close the post . From the initial post it has gone so far afield from where it started, to the point where some people make it look like three year olds having a pissing contest about who is right or wrong about IMMS / SP coverage, freedom of speech , writing skills and etc.. . This was not the topic of this initial post. IF IMMS / SP health coverage was an important topic for educational purposes and that person(s) wanted to inform others, , another thread should have been started with this topic, and not hi-jack this initial posting . I rarely post on this webboard , and seeing how this topic ran amuck, reinforces why I do not post often. I believe I am not the only person who utilizes this board who must feel as frustrated as I am right now when a topic goes totally off-tilt when there is no reason for that to happen. It is always a personal choice to help another person in any given situation. Many people have contacted me and offered help for this family, and that is appreciated. The Moderator may not like what and how I have expressed myself , and delete my posting, that is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeside7 Posted April 11, 2019 Report Share Posted April 11, 2019 I guess this topic will always resonate with some folks sensitives regarding being covered for medical emergencies...think of the recent GOFUNME for a "notable" Gringo... Why do people not plan for these medical emergencies...I have no idea..Having said that,.I am amazed when many Mexican's will just roll their eyes when I have suggested getting enrolled in SP or IMSS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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