AndyPanda Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 The evidence is in the success or failure of the chiropractic therapy. Myself and many friends have benefited greatly over the years. If you ever needed one and had success, there would be no controversy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcscats Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 4 hours ago, AngusMactavish said: The thread is about chiropractic, not the AMA. Let's talk about that instead of being a dumbass. Go back and look you are the one who brought up the pro AMA arguments. Angus grow up and stop commenting on things you know nothing about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcscats Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 2 hours ago, AngusMactavish said: The American Chiropractic Association has long claimed that the American Medical Association discriminates against chiropractors by limiting “patient access to care by chiropractic physicians and all other duly licensed non-M.D.” But the AMA is not being discriminatory here — they are acting in the interest of their patients. Medical doctors often refer patients to the proper experts, and outside of a narrow scope of experts, this rarely includes someone who is a “duly-licensed non-M.D.,” because that person’s views on medicine would not be aligned with their standards of care. A doctor is not a doctor is not a doctor. If this leaves you asking “so when should I go to a chiropractor?” Well, that’s like asking if you should go to a tarot card reader as a complement to your psychiatrist. Simply put: There is scant medical evidence that a chiropractor is your best treatment option for... anything. Excuse me you know nothing. The supreme court convicted the AMA of discriminating against Chiropractors. Look it up. They also discriminated against chin ese medicine, acupuncture, Native american medicine. This started in the early 1900 financed by the owners of the new pill business. Also the AMA doesn't represent patients they represent doctors. Do some reading and stop abusing health care professionals because you were taught a false belief. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisbee Gal Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 16 minutes ago, lcscats said: Excuse me you know nothing. Perhaps you should take your own advice: Quote lcscats Posted 30 minutes ago You folks need to go for a walk and get out of the house. All you have to do is not read his posts. Why are you folks so argumentative?? You are making this board look foolish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted March 23, 2021 Report Share Posted March 23, 2021 26 minutes ago, lcscats said: Do some reading and stop abusing health care professionals because you were taught a false belief. Chiropractors are not health care but are professional... conmen. Message people make many feel better but do not say they are doctors. I have a cousin that went to chiropractic school but quit because he could not continue the deceptions of the trade. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcscats Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 No point in talking to you. You are close minded and answer everybody with a smart ### answer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmh Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Frankly when I am in pain if a massage or an adjustment makes me feel better for a while , I do not care if they are not doctors, I ll do it.. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ibarra Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Some chiropractor's are doctors, retired or otherwise. An osteopathic doctor is qualified to adjust your spine and other parts of the body. www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/osteopathic-medicine/faq-20058168 osteopathic.org/what-is-osteopathic-medicine/what-is-a-do/ www.webmd.com/pain-management/features/osteopathic-doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjillin Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 I've only been to or communicated with one Chiropractor who didn't make stupid claims and he fixed my severe neck problem and milder middle back problem. There must be more like him out there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcscats Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 23 hours ago, Bisbee Gal said: Perhaps you should take your own advice: You are correct. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traderspoc Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 On 2/19/2019 at 2:33 PM, josearturozaah said: I have used Dr. Victor Youcha in the past years. ... Dr. Youcha. West side of Ajijic in the big Gym building, downstairs. ... ...Dr Youcha is licensed in mexico. He's help my back and shoulders. No where near the prices this posting shows. \This the place to go, they are professional and fees reasonable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traderspoc Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 On 3/23/2021 at 11:10 AM, AngusMactavish said: The American Chiropractic Association has long claimed that the American Medical Association discriminates against chiropractors by limiting “patient access to care by chiropractic physicians and all other duly licensed non-M.D.” But the AMA is not being discriminatory here — they are acting in the interest of their patients. Medical doctors often refer patients to the proper experts, and outside of a narrow scope of experts, this rarely includes someone who is a “duly-licensed non-M.D.,” because that person’s views on medicine would not be aligned with their standards of care. A doctor is not a doctor is not a doctor. If this leaves you asking “so when should I go to a chiropractor?” Well, that’s like asking if you should go to a tarot card reader as a complement to your psychiatrist. Simply put: There is scant medical evidence that a chiropractor is your best treatment option for... anything. On 3/23/2021 at 11:10 AM, AngusMactavish said: The American Chiropractic Association has long claimed that the American Medical Association discriminates against chiropractors by limiting “patient access to care by chiropractic physicians and all other duly licensed non-M.D.” But the AMA is not being discriminatory here — they are acting in the interest of their patients. Medical doctors often refer patients to the proper experts, and outside of a narrow scope of experts, this rarely includes someone who is a “duly-licensed non-M.D.,” because that person’s views on medicine would not be aligned with their standards of care. A doctor is not a doctor is not a doctor. If this leaves you asking “so when should I go to a chiropractor?” Well, that’s like asking if you should go to a tarot card reader as a complement to your psychiatrist. Simply put: There is scant medical evidence that a chiropractor is your best treatment option for... anything. Medical doctors now refer to chiropractors, since 1983, specially one that belong society of preventive medicine, they when to refer to another practiconer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, traderspoc said: Medical doctors now refer to chiropractors, since 1983, specially one that belong society of preventive medicine, they when to refer to another practiconer The point was that they even say they are medical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPanda Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 In the US, "chiropracters are licensed practicioners. Chiropractors begin their education by getting an undergraduate degree with a focus on the sciences. After graduation, they move on to a 4-year chiropractic program with classes and hands-on experience. All states in the United States require that chiropractors obtain a doctor of chiropractic degree from a Council on Chiropractic Education (CCE) accredited college." https://www.healthline.com/health/are-chiropractors-doctors In Canada, they "are regulated in all 10 Canadian provinces, and are designated to use the title “doctor” similar to physicians, optometrists and dentists after completing the extensive Doctor of Chiropractic degree program. Those professions who are recognized to use the “doctor” title have extensive training in their area of expertise that allows them to be diagnosticians – to provide a diagnosis." https://chiropractic.ca/blog/the-top-6-common-myths-about-chiropractic-treatment/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyjillin Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, AngusMactavish said: The point was that they even say they are medical. I suggest that you, by using the word "they", are painting a whole group with the same brush which is really not the case. Any Chiropractor that I have had dealings with have said that they are a Doctor of Chiropractic. Granted my example is very small for statistical purposes-eh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, happyjillin said: I suggest that you, by using the word "they", are painting a whole group with the same brush which is really not the case. Any Chiropractor that I have had dealings with have said that they are a Doctor of Chiropractic. Granted my example is very small for statistical purposes-eh! Call them what you like but with the widest brush available I call them all quacks. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whipstock Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 34 minutes ago, AndyPanda said: In the US, "chiropracters are licensed practicioners. Chiropractors begin their education by getting an undergraduate degree with a focus on the sciences. After graduation, they move on to a 4-year chiropractic program with classes and hands-on experience. All states in the United States require that chiropractors obtain a doctor of chiropractic degree from a Council on Chiropractic Education (CCE) accredited college." https://www.healthline.com/health/are-chiropractors-doctors In Canada, they "are regulated in all 10 Canadian provinces, and are designated to use the title “doctor” similar to physicians, optometrists and dentists after completing the extensive Doctor of Chiropractic degree program. Those professions who are recognized to use the “doctor” title have extensive training in their area of expertise that allows them to be diagnosticians – to provide a diagnosis." https://chiropractic.ca/blog/the-top-6-common-myths-about-chiropractic-treatment/ They are not required to have a degree in anything before going to chiropractor school. https://careertrend.com/list-6699232-requirements-become-chiropractor-california.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 It would appear from Andy Panda's post that they do things differently in Canada. As in every profession, 50% graduated in the bottom half of their class. I have been both helped and hurt by Chiropractors. If you find a good one, they are worth their weight in gold. Victor Youcha is a good one and I'm sure there are others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPanda Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 39 minutes ago, Whipstock said: They are not required to have a degree in anything before going to chiropractor school. https://careertrend.com/list-6699232-requirements-become-chiropractor-california.html A D.C. program typically lasts four years, and to qualify for admission students must complete at least three years of undergraduate education with at least 90 semester hours – and in some cases a bachelor's degree, depending on the school where they apply. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/how-to-get-into-chiropractic-school-and-become-a-chiropractor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPanda Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Ferret said: It would appear from Andy Panda's post that they do things differently in Canada. As in every profession, 50% graduated in the bottom half of their class. I have been both helped and hurt by Chiropractors. If you find a good one, they are worth their weight in gold. Victor Youcha is a good one and I'm sure there are others. I have never been hurt other than the "day after" pains. But I have also on occasion not been helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 It was a shoulder problem and he certainly caused excruciating pain and undid all the progress we had made. I ended up going to a Naturopath in Barrie, Ontario who suggested I take magnesium supplements. I'm sure Angus will call them quacks too. It worked and, after three months, no more pain. Sublime relief after three YEARS. Never went back to THAT Chiropracter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whipstock Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 12 minutes ago, AndyPanda said: A D.C. program typically lasts four years, and to qualify for admission students must complete at least three years of undergraduate education with at least 90 semester hours – and in some cases a bachelor's degree, depending on the school where they apply. https://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/articles/how-to-get-into-chiropractic-school-and-become-a-chiropractor Yes, for California, it varies. You had said that they need to have a Degree first. Also as per Ferret's point, things vary by country, and that is also true by state as well.The ACEP, opposes the use of Doctor without clarification that a person is not a Medical Doctor. Granted that may be viewed as being in their own self interest. I have never heard an announcement on an airplane stating that there is an emergency, and asking if there is a chiropractic Dr on the flight. https://www.acep.org/patient-care/policy-statements/use-of-the-title-doctor-in-the-clinical-setting/ ,... must specifically and simultaneously declare themselves a “non-physician” and define the nature of their doctorate degree." https://www.nccih.nih.gov/health/placebo-effect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngusMactavish Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 I have had many things I could have eaten tadpoles to cure or have done nothing. Either way, I get cured in the same amount of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyPanda Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 11 minutes ago, Whipstock said: Yes, for California, it varies. You had said that they need to have a Degree first. I have never heard an announcement on an airplane stating that there is an emergency, and asking if there is a chiropractic Dr on the flight. Nah, I just quoted and gave the link. Obviously things differ in different places. In the end, it is quite clear that a certan amount of undergraduate work is a definite requirement. On the other hand, I have never heard a plane annoucement that there is a drunk on board and "is there someone from A.A. on the flight"? I won't go into the details of my own various back problems over the years, but if you felt the pain I have and the relief I got from chiropracters, you'd know it ain't no placebo effect. This argument has raged for years and won't be decided upon here. I say if it works for you, go for it. And it don't, don't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferret Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 21 minutes ago, AndyPanda said: I say if it works for you, go for it. And it don't, don't. Absolutely true! I refuse to give up and am open to options. Eating tadpoles is not one of those options though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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