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Forgive me for reviving a locked thread but it was closed before I could offer my "2 cents" and the subject is much too intriguing to allow it to flounder!

In the locked thread "Who Is This Guy" regarding AMLO, Mainecoons submits an interesting post making some good points.  Among them he ponders how might AMLO deal with the violence and Narco problem?  To this I offer a report I recently read on Borderland Beat in which it is alleged that AMLO has offered Dr. Mireles of Autodefensas fame, a senatorial position in his government in the event he wins the upcoming elections, which Dr. Mireles has accepted.  I find this proposed alliance fascinating given the fact that the Autodefensas were the only ones to make serious gains against the Narcos in Michoacan and were subsequently disbanded by the Mexican government because of those gains IMO.  The Mexican government withdrew the only strategy that was truly having success over the Narco situation in this country.  This only makes sense if you consider that the allegations of the Narcos being "in bed" with the Mexican government at the highest levels are true.  That the never ending "War" against the Narcos is just theater to distract from and conceal their real alliances.  Given AMLO's declaration of cleaning up corruption at all levels of government throughout Mexico and this overtures of support and alliance for/with Dr. Mireles, well, this may very well be an indication on how he plans to deal with the Narco problem Mainecoons.

I really think he needs to be given a chance to make the changes he proposes in this country but the powers that be can not afford to give him that chance for obvious reasons.

 Only speculation on my part of course.

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Pedro Malo, I'll ask you the same question I asked in the closed thread: are you a Mexican citizen?  You surely know why I ask--and why I believe the other thread was closed:

It is forbidden by the Mexican constitution for a non-citizen--no matter his or her Immigration status, no matter the length of time he or she has lived in this country, no matter ANYTHING--to participate in any way in Mexican politics, including offering opinions or making comments on a web forum.  The penalty for doing that is usually immediate deportation--no legal recourse and no matter your Immigration status. 

If it were me (and at one time it was me), I'd be very careful about offering political opinions.  Despite having been a life-long political activist in the USA, I reserved doing anything that could have been construed as political in Mexico until I received citizenship--including participating in Gay Pride activities, which in Mexico are considered to be political.

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Article 33 of Mexico's constitution "The Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action." It also states: "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country."

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Nonsense... please list the names of those deported for offering their opinions or making a comment on a web forum. 

 

 

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AMLO - Bernie Sanders of Mexico - works for me. No way is he as left than that Venezuelan :().

Agree with Sonia, deportation is long, serious legal matter, and the one they are trying to deport will typically try to turn it into a show trial, whether gay rights or militant Marxism.

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Eh, what?

OK... maybe it is a technicality... but, it is not nonsense as More Liana is correct about the law... regardless of whether or not anybody has actually been booted out for meddling.

Wish that the US had the same law on the books... politics is nasty enough without outsiders adding their two cents worth. 

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FWIW, the results of two polls, one is pretty close:

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/amlo-extends-lead-in-latest-opinion-poll/

We have a stake in this.  For example since the last election Mexico has fallen from 35 to 29 on the widely followed corruption perception index.  Other polls show nearly 90 percent of Mexicans believe Federal and their state governments are corrupt.  

Crime also is rapidly increasing:

http://www.businessinsider.com/mexico-record-homicides-new-data-crime-numbers-2017-12

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/mx-dominates-list-of-most-violent-cities/

Reading down there's a lot of not good data on crimes other than homicides.  Both references clearly show the trends to increasing crime and violence.

Yes, my wife and I and all our friends, both Mexican and expat are concerned about the trend of things here.

Thanks Pedro for the additional information.

 

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6 hours ago, More Liana said:

Pedro Malo, I'll ask you the same question I asked in the closed thread: are you a Mexican citizen?  You surely know why I ask--and why I believe the other thread was closed:

It is forbidden by the Mexican constitution for a non-citizen--no matter his or her Immigration status, no matter the length of time he or she has lived in this country, no matter ANYTHING--to participate in any way in Mexican politics, including offering opinions or making comments on a web forum.  The penalty for doing that is usually immediate deportation--no legal recourse and no matter your Immigration status. 

If it were me (and at one time it was me), I'd be very careful about offering political opinions.  Despite having been a life-long political activist in the USA, I reserved doing anything that could have been construed as political in Mexico until I received citizenship--including participating in Gay Pride activities, which in Mexico are considered to be political.

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Article 33 of Mexico's constitution "The Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action." It also states: "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country."

Not yet but as soon as I get the chance.  I love this country and it's noble and brave history despite it's shortcomings and negatives. 

Thank you for the information but I was not aware that simply making a comment or having an opinion of the political situation in ones country of residence qualifies as "participation in politics".  I understood  "participation" as referring to active intervention as in attending rallies, parades, or trying to affect a particular outcome politically, not just airing ones insignificant personal opinion.  So this pretends that freedom of speech is only reserved for citizens of Mexico?  This is good to know.

Always open to a good education.  Thank you More Liana.

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6 hours ago, CHILLIN said:

AMLO - Bernie Sanders of Mexico - works for me. No way is he as left than that Venezuelan :().

Agree with Sonia, deportation is long, serious legal matter, and the one they are trying to deport will typically try to turn it into a show trial, whether gay rights or militant Marxism.

For me too CHILLIN!  I sense a genuine and  positive difference in AMLO.  The whole world needs more of them!

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15 minutes ago, AngusMactavish said:

I just asked my cleaning lady, "What is your opinion of AMLO as a candidate?" Her reply was that it won't matter who is elected, nothing will change.

There are a lot of Mexicans who feel that way.  We will see if there are more that have real hope or not.

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Let's not get carried away here. Non-citizens are forbidden to actively participate in the electoral process. They are not allowed to donate money to candidates or parties, speak at political rallies or march in political protests. No one here should feel intimidated by these restrictions when expressing an opinion on a forum such as this.

I do not believe AMLO has any specific proposal for dealing with the problem of drugs and cartels. In the past, he has advocated that the army be "returned to its barracks" in an effort to deescalate the violence that followed the Calderon regime's declared war on drugs. Most recently, he has expressed his desire to hold an "open discussion" on how to deal with drugs, cartels and the violence. Everything would on the table in this discussion, including legalization of personal drug use and amnesty for the cartels in exchange for disbanding.

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19 minutes ago, alex45920 said:

Let's not get carried away here. Non-citizens are forbidden to actively participate in the electoral process. They are not allowed to donate money to candidates or parties, speak at political rallies or march in political protests. No one here should feel intimidated by these restrictions when expressing an opinion on a forum such as this.

Exactly.

In SMA a significant group of expats are very active and public regarding crime, traffic, and related issues. There are protests which include Mexicans and numerous expats. There are expat meetings with the city administration. My husband has met on his own with the mayor's assistant a lawyer regarding city issues. To take the intent of the law to say these activities are illegal is NONSENSE.

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34 minutes ago, Tomas said:

Here is the NY Times article on AMLO...Loves Venezuela and their dictator..

 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/07/opinion/mexico-election-lopez-obrador.html

Carlos Slim is a 17% owner of the New York Times. After reading that paid editorial, I thought they might be part of Rupert Murdoc's alternate-facts machine.

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3 minutes ago, Mainecoons said:

You got the alternate facts machine right but it doesn't belong to Rupert.  Guess again.

 

I don't need another guess, please read what I wrote.

13 hours ago, AngusMactavish said:

Carlos Slim is a 17% owner of the New York Times. After reading that paid editorial, I thought they might be part of Rupert Murdoc's alternate-facts machine.

 

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As the election draws closer, we can expect the political rhetoric to intensify. AMLO's opponents will certainly compare him to Nicolas Maduro, the socialist president of Venezuela. Keep in mind that a lot of this rhetoric is the product of a long-running propaganda campaign by the CIA intended to bring about regime change in Venezuela. While Venezuela does have some serious economic problems, the people really aren't reduced to eating their pets in order to survive...or selling their children because they can no longer afford to feed them, for that matter. 

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People in Zacatecas and Oxchuc chiapas eat rats and they like it..There are rats and rats.. rats in the country are eaten in many communities here no need to go to Venezuela, they also eat grub, worms, crikets, ants, snails .

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