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7 hours ago, happyjillin said:

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I think more than one chess move ahead, bud... (see below).

Being in my mid-to-late fourties, I'm a relative youngster of a snowbird which means I will see multiple yo-yo rebound effects of infrastructure.

1 hour ago, rafterbr said:

There is a cultural change lakeside but its not toward bicycles, its toward autos.  Every Mexican lakeside feels he should own an automobile.  Number of Mexican's owning autos has grown tremendously in the last few years which has led to traffic jams.  Sure the tapatios and new arrivals have added to the problem but it is the additional home grown drivers who are adding to the traffic problems.  As for the cycle paths more and more people are using them for walking paths.  Every day I see people walking there dogs on them.  It's just a matter of time before a e-bike hits a dog and we will see what happens.  If its a Mexican dog, wellll.

Change often has lagbehind effects.  A great example is China that had lots of bicycles in 1970s then they bulldozed that to build freeways all over and removed cycle infrastructure.  And car boomed.  

Then the equilibrium overshot, and now the Chinese are building Amsterdam cycle infrastructure in parts of Beijing and Sgenhanghi crazy fast like kudzu.  You see a lot of new Amsterdam-style bike infrastructure in some China cities that didn't exist 5 years ago.  

Yes, the ill effects to be acknowledged, and yes, non-democratic -- but it's like a tape playing back America infrastructure boom at about 5x-10x speed.  And you saw the bikeshare boom and piles of discarded bike (they manufactured too many) though now it's rebounded to a more healthy equilibrium than yesteryear's 11-day freeway gridlock talked about all over the news back then years ago.  Literally, they're racing 100 years of progress in a mere 20 years literally.  More bike infra.   The speed they've run their devleopment and mistakes is incredible (ghost cities et al) but led to a lot of wins for their society (huge freeway system, huge highspeed train system, good subway networks in major cities, etc). 

Not that we should copycat them, Mexico's pace is far slower, but they do still yo-yo around an equilibrium.  But they're following a similar path, though vehicle-miles-driven-per-capita will have more lagbehind effect (it will stabilize in 10-20 years from now, then decline per capita like it already started in America/Canada).  

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Even in newer graphs that stretches out to 2020, it's falling again.  It's stabilized to an equilibrium.

Per Cpaital Vmt Chart 2018 Cu

Car count is not really going down, but USA population is going up.  That's why this graph is happening.  Freeways are no longer getting wider, being landlocked by houses on both sides.  So, pressure pain point causes this graph.  More people buying urban condos, or simply reducing 2 cars to 1 car because they got Uber app (yay) or whatever.  Or bikes.  You get the idea.  

But Mexico has not peaked yet -- it will be probably 10-20 years into the future. 

Still feasibly something I watch with popcorn playing out within my lifetime, who knows?

No, traffic will not decrease, but because of the population boom, carcount will stagnate on a non-widened Ciclopisto (throttled by traffic inconvenience) while users of Ciclopisto will boom in 5,10,20 years from now.   Roll the dice on whatever the hell numbers you prefer, but you get the general idea of long term view.

My current prediction is that the government will continue to refuse to widen the Carterra, so the multigenerational pressure pain points will bear out from my age 47 to my age 80s, a long enough lifespan to potentially se a lot of things play out in society.

We might still yet own a car -- (I own one in Canada).  We do have a two car garage (with room for a 3rd car if needed) -- but it is not an aspiration of mine to keep owning.

Wild infrastructure swings do not happen in Mexico though.  Mexico has its own pace (that lagbehinds North America) and while automobiles will intensify, this may not be true 100 years from now, there might be half as many autos, even if the area has not "copenhagenized" in a matter of speaking (to borrow the word that cycle lobbies use).    Some things do skip a few society development stages (like how Africa skipped landlines and went straight to everybody-owns-mobilephones).

Watching civilization develops and yo-yos back and forth (overshooting such as automobilizing too much and then decades later, bouncing back to a more equilibrium).  The equlibrium swings wildly over the decades.

An example is international agreements may phase out ICE cars (whether or not we like those agreements).  The electric vehicles tend to be more expensive than ICE cars (at least initially), so fewer people will share vehicles per household, so that's a countervailing effect (might not affect this area of Mexico until about 20-30 years later, given how slow cars wear out in this area).   

The interacting factors will lead to a new equilibrium that may be fewer cars per capita, and more bicycles.  It won't be Copenhagen probably, but it would compensate for the lack of ability to widen the Carterra to 4 lanes, when painpoints of continuous congestion creates spillover effects of more use of Ciclopisto -- that happened to some corridors of certain North America cities.  Car use unchanged but bike use increased in some jurisdictions.  There

I expect no different for Mexico -- I agree we'll see more cars and worse traffic per capita in the near term -- I agree.  It may or may not stay that way in fifty years from now.  But the slow long-term population growth of the Lakeside will probably ensure traffic stays bad (even if per-capita car ownership gyrates a bit and then bounces back down).   

In a unbaised NPOV view -- for a long time, people like me won't make any dent, but eventually the equilibrium is reached, and then people like me starts a new equilibrium when the painpoint of driving exceeds the painpoint of cycling, etc.  Whatever infra jurisdiction "A" or "B" choses to build, will forever shift around the equilibrium point like a punching bag.   Although some of us gringoes try to influence the direction, it's important to respect the will of the Mexicans.  Granted, salaries are going up at a faster % rate than America/Canadian salaries (starting from a super-low base), so car ownership undoubtedly will boom to a new equilibrium.

1 hour ago, rafterbr said:

As for the cycle paths more and more people are using them for walking paths.  Every day I see people walking there dogs on them.  It's just a matter of time before a e-bike hits a dog and we will see what happens.  If its a Mexican dog, wellll.

Ironically -- funnily enough -- most mexican streetdogs seem to apparently respect the Cyclopisto more than most humans -- I've seen dogs look both ways before crossing roads and Cyclopisto. 

 True, there's some double plus ungood dogs out there.  I didn't say "all dogs"... 😃

On a more serious note -- the dog rescue are trying to pick them up but the shelter is full.  Some shelters often pick up one street dog immediately after somebody else adopts a dog in the shelter.   (See more on this shelter adoption page)

It's rather interesting how some of the dogs here in Mexico actually learned street smarts that most North American dogs don't have.  For some reason most don't like walking on the hot Ciclopisto surface, which scorches their paws -- most like to walk flush sidewalk along buildings, or in shaded corridors.  So most stray dog-crossing events on Ciclopisto is perpendicular to my bike path (i.e. to get to the other side).

While this is certainly an area of legitimate discussion in other threads, there are numerous other more important weak links in the chain of dangers on Ciclopisto. 

While meritworthy discussion, I think I need to fork this off to a new general-purpose transportation infrastructure thread...

Alice in Wonderland, we've somehow fallen into a deep rabbit hole in this thread.  🙂

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42 minutes ago, GDouglas said:

While meritworthy discussion, I think I need to fork this off to a new general-purpose transportation infrastructure thread...

I think you need your own blog so you can post your endless page long posts that most people here won't bother to slog through.

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2 hours ago, gringohombre said:

Deeply disturbing. Please God, save us from this virus and also while you are at it, from Putin also!!!

While the virus has no role in this particular thread... Putin can go **** himself.

I have the handwritten journal that my grandpa wrote from 1936-1940, chronicling the era and their sudden unexpected escape, which has a rivetting story.So, golly, I can relate to the "Save Us From Putin" part.   

It is very wordy at over 100 pages long, but the short one-paragraph story is --

My grandpa escaped from Czechslovakia in summer 1939 on the last train as the tanks started rolling in -- when my dad was only 6 years old.  They abandoned their house, had to sneak out with their car headlights covered in tissue paper (to dim them to be less noticed driving in the middle of night to the train station), abandoned their car, and boarded the train out.  Just like the Ukranians on that crowded train platform.  A steamship later, they landed in Montreal, scrounged up savings for an old Model T at an auction, and limped it to Ontario to eventually to becoming farmhands in rural Ontario to slowly claw way back to the middle-class life they lost overseas -- with only a brief interruption when grandpa signed up to fight in the Canadian Army in the early 1940s.  Straight back to Europe that he fled. Managed to survive came back, and eventually managed to buy their own farm, and was able to save up enough to send Dad to university.  Deep respect.

(After Dad got university education as a geologist, he eventually became a diplomat at the Canada Embassy in Washington DC. Worked on the 1983 Acid Rain accords.)

 

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GDouglas, with all due respect you may want to consider toning down your contributions here. This is a forum for and about Mexico, to ask and answer pertinent questions about life here. Quck and to the point. Easy to read and move on. Your Posts have seemingly been about you. Your choice of course, but.....

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This board is famously full of “we know at least 5 forum members here that need to tone down, too”.  Even if we don’t agree who should tone down.  The nature of forums.

My increased post-rate on this topic matter is due to some ongoing posts over the last month by another forum member whose name I won’t mention. I will always counterbalance. Hopefully things will settle on all sides.  More important world matters at hand.

In principle, I prefer to go back to maintaining my useful threads such as this this My Experience with Faster TotalPlay Internet in Ajijic thread I created a year ago.  Great useful stuff!

 

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34 minutes ago, moderator-2 said:

Let's stick to the topic of golf carts on local streets here.

Last time I looked at a golf cart going by, Putin wasn't driving it.

Thanks.

Winner - and agreed.

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I’ll always counterbalance screed with screed.  Whether the content is deemed “screed” or not varies by interpretation of the reader.  It’s common sense.  Period.  Full stop.  No more need to pile a ReplyAll into this thread.

Our mutual realtor Calwell runs this forum, so moderate it.  I also used them for our house too, as many of you did.

Golf carts can start afresh in a new thread with no baggage.

@moderator-2, please close this thread.  

 

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(EDIT - To @RickS / @mudgirl / @virgo lady who added confused or sad reactions -- I'm not referring to this thread. There's lots of instances of screed by other unnamed people in other threads in this area of the forum, including a thread (that I have zero replies in).  Including one thread that got recently closed by moderator-2. To respect the privacy of those people I won't name names here, but I will compensate anyway.  No reply needed.  Also, I've been online since the Compuserve days thirty years ago, and people used to post longer screeds then.  I'm not going to change.  A reply will just elict more screeds from me.  Today's adults just post small messages like kids txting on phones.  It's sadder to me.  Please view this from my perspective --

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That's how you can make my posts disappear.  No more need to read my screed!  It's a free world.  My posts don't even have to be visible to you.  (P.S. I don't have anyone in my ignored list)

The Internet was different 30 years ago.  Everybody replied long messages to each other in those more than a decade before Facebook/Twitter.  I also ran a FidoNet BBS in my late teens, so I am familiar with long screeds posted on BBS boards in the late 1980s and early 1990s.  Not going to shorten my posts to today's kid-size-texters, sorry.

It's sadder to me and has hurt world peace because we don't bother to understand each other anymore like we tried in the tail end of the cold war. 

Even some websites such as fcc.gov has some of my "screed" because I worked on some industry standardizations.  I'm wordy and PROUD of it!

Just add me to "Ignored Users" if you do not like reading my long threads (e.g. "My TotalPlay optical fiber Internet installed in Ajijic!").  Easy peasy to just make my posts disappear.  Your friends and neighbours will still see my posts, but at least you don't have to see mine.

No reply needed or it just continues my screed (big replies) -- otherwise it just becomes a continuation of screed or novels or oratory or lectures etc (or whatever terminology you prefer).  Let's just let this thread die in piece now, if moderator-2 doesn't want to close this thread.

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20 hours ago, GDouglas said:

The Internet was different 30 years ago.  Everybody replied long messages to each other in those more than a decade before Facebook/Twitter.  I also ran a FidoNet BBS in my late teens, so I am familiar with long screeds posted on BBS boards in the late 1980s and early 1990s.  Not going to shorten my posts to today's kid-size-texters, sorry.

It's sadder to me and has hurt world peace because we don't bother to understand each other anymore like we tried in the tail end of the cold war. 

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No reply needed or it just continues my screed (big replies) -- otherwise it just becomes a continuation of screed or novels or oratory or lectures etc (or whatever terminology you prefer).  Let's just let this thread die in piece now, if moderator-2 doesn't want to close this thread.

too late! jaja

A related note you may find interesting: https://world.hey.com/dhh/dangerous-conversations-going-private-db84b6b3

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Yes, the Internet was different 30 years ago. I was on the original AOL. We were on Denver FreeNet and a local ISP called ABWAM (Anything Beats Working At Martin) and belonged to the Rocky Mountain Internet Users Group in Boulder. I too have been around the block a few times. And sorry I do not remember long rambling essays being common. I think it is called TMI - too much information. 

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Interesting comments and frowns from the verbal/prose police. I did not notice the rules stating that posts need be of a certain length or construct. Thank goodness for many here spelling and correct grammar is not enforced. Of note is that the offending poster was actually commended in past for the construct of his lengthy description.

https://www.chapala.com/webboard/index.php?/topic/91125-faster-ways-to-translate-whatsapp-conversations-automatically-english-spanish/#comment-694666

 

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7 hours ago, MtnMama said:

Yes, the Internet was different 30 years ago. I was on the original AOL. We were on Denver FreeNet and a local ISP called ABWAM (Anything Beats Working At Martin) and belonged to the Rocky Mountain Internet Users Group in Boulder. I too have been around the block a few times. And sorry I do not remember long rambling essays being common. I think it is called TMI - too much information. 

Yeah I remember AOL, we used to refer to it as America OFF Line.  :D 

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24 minutes ago, Mainecoons said:

Yeah I remember AOL, we used to refer to it as America OFF Line.  :D 

I'm one of the original members of AOL also; and I still have my original  ID name. I still use AOL--It still works for me-----HA--I hope I haven't offended anyone by my offensive comment---HA

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On 3/1/2022 at 12:17 AM, GDouglas said:

While the virus has no role in this particular thread... Putin can go **** himself.

I have the handwritten journal that my grandpa wrote from 1936-1940, chronicling the era and their sudden unexpected escape, which has a rivetting story.So, golly, I can relate to the "Save Us From Putin" part.   

It is very wordy at over 100 pages long, but the short one-paragraph story is --

My grandpa escaped from Czechslovakia in summer 1939 on the last train as the tanks started rolling in -- when my dad was only 6 years old.  They abandoned their house, had to sneak out with their car headlights covered in tissue paper (to dim them to be less noticed driving in the middle of night to the train station), abandoned their car, and boarded the train out.  Just like the Ukranians on that crowded train platform.  A steamship later, they landed in Montreal, scrounged up savings for an old Model T at an auction, and limped it to Ontario to eventually to becoming farmhands in rural Ontario to slowly claw way back to the middle-class life they lost overseas -- with only a brief interruption when grandpa signed up to fight in the Canadian Army in the early 1940s.  Straight back to Europe that he fled. Managed to survive came back, and eventually managed to buy their own farm, and was able to save up enough to send Dad to university.  Deep respect.

(After Dad got university education as a geologist, he eventually became a diplomat at the Canada Embassy in Washington DC. Worked on the 1983 Acid Rain accords.)

 

Not to offend your Grandpa; that was then and this is now--Putin is defending his  country from the wokeness of the west--Putin is a nationalist --defending his country from NATO--who broke the MINSK agreement-Just like America broke their treaties with the American Indians when there was buck to be made-

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7 hours ago, timjwilson said:

Interesting comments and frowns from the verbal/prose police. I did not notice the rules stating that posts need be of a certain length or construct. Thank goodness for many here spelling and correct grammar is not enforced. Of note is that the offending poster was actually commended in past for the construct of his lengthy description.

https://www.chapala.com/webboard/index.php?/topic/91125-faster-ways-to-translate-whatsapp-conversations-automatically-english-spanish/#comment-694666

 

Spelling ?  I'm not getting paid---who cares-!!

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