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If anyone starves because they can't get into Walmart...their problems deserve a more professional analysis than can be obtained on this board.

Why all this debating?. The governor has asked us all to follow his guidelines in order to save lives and not over burden the healthcare system here. Same as every other country around the world. Can you please stop with all the bickering and opinions, it really doesn't matter what any of thinks....the virus is here, it's spreading quickly and there is no immediate fix in the near future. We are all very fortunate to be retired and don't have to endure going out to work, having to work from home, having to homeschool children. Please show a little maturity and stop the nonsense. Be kind to yourself and to others who might just be having a very hard time with all this.....

Supermarkets are denying entry to people over 60. Looks like they need to try and get a fake ID saying they are 58. How they will eat will be hard. Why don't they just ban fat people from grocery stores? It is obvious they don't need food and aren't protected under the constitution. I will kick the hornets nest for you guys

We manage to eat well, stay healthy and avoid Walmart, simultaneously.

Be as safe as you can be; individual responsibility. There is a peak in cases here/ coming which also means more contagion! Is the new covid here? Who knows! But, we should assume it is as it was in the US! Don't be foolish . Be as safe as you can. Utilize delivery services which abound. Restaurants universally deliver and are fighting for survival. El Torito delivers. Costco has Lakeside Delivery Service. Pharmacies deliver. Do you really need to go out? What is safer for your survival? This is a worldwide question not just here!

You are probably correct regarding the current spike being the result of Christmas & New Years gatherings. A study published in the journal Indoor Air in October looked at 318 outbreaks in China in which three or more cases were identified. The researchers divided the outbreaks into six categories: homes, transport, food, entertainment, shopping, and other—and they found people were 19 times more likely to get the virus at home. Similarly, research out of the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill determined that your home is the most common place for COVID-19 transmission.

Maybe seniors can get fake IDs to say they are 58, like in college you got a fake ID to buy alcohol, similar but now its for rubbing alcohol and meds and food

Happy Birthday to all who just turned 59

"All or nothing" polices never succeed. Instead they instill mistrust of government generally. Remember the 1920's Prohibition Act? How'd that work out? Remember the 1980's "Just Say No" drug policy? By the 80's, smoking your first joint in HS was a rite of passage and this policy was laughed at. Remember the 1990's "Sexual Abstinence" Sex-Ed curriculum? Hormones made short work of that. The right approach is harm mitigation. I.e., separate use/possession of pot from hard drugs; teach teens about safe sex, STD's, birth control options; regulate alcohol sales, pass DUI laws and tax the crap out of it. Same with a pandemic. There are known safe activities of various degrees. We all know what they are. Individuals will determine their personal safety zone. Some choose to stay at home 24-7, some choose to go to bars, indoor restaurants or airports. My personal comfort zone is somewhere in-between. BTW, nice walk this AM along deserted village streets, never got within 20 feet of anyone (though I continue to mask-up when outdoors). fyi, Dr. Anthony Fauci and his wife power-walk a few miles every evening. He's 80. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/16/white-house-advisor-dr-anthony-fauci-power-walks-with-wife-to-relax.html

An N95 mask (also called a respirator) is a mask that is worn over the face to prevent the inhalation of airborne particles. The N95 designation means that the mask will filter at least 95% of particles 0.3 microns in size. The coronavirus measures between .05 and 0.2 microns in diameter, one micron is 1 millionth part of a metre). Approved KN95s will perform almost identically to N95s—they have virtually the same filtration rate and are therefore equally safe if they’re properly certified. KN95s might have ear loops; most N95s only attach via head straps. You can inhale corona virus and not be infected. It depends on the quantity of virus inhaled. The larger the quantity inhaled the higher the possibility and also the severity if contracted. That is why prolonged contact is not recommended.

Try the Jeffry Dalmer solution ..... just kill and eat the delivery drivers!

Just an observation, it is my understanding the seniors living in multigenerational extended family households are tending to get covid from younger family members. That being the case, confining them to their homes where the exposure risk is greatest doesn't feel like a very good control strategy. I suspect one of the reasons older expats here have had almost no cases is they don't live in these types of family situations. Also the expat community is very aware of the more effective control strategies like mask wearing around others and social distancing. I'm told there is a move afoot to get an amparo against the over 60 lockdown and blocking from shopping as this appears to clearly violate the First Amendment to the Mexican Constitution which specifically prohibits discrimination based on age. Finally, another observation, given that Mexicans were not willing to give up holiday gatherings with family and others I wonder if the current spike is related to the holiday behavior and would have tended to abate with the previous measures.

Damn, have you tried this chili dog or just judging by the photo? Gee Dorthy, you're not in Oregon any more...too bad!

Not sure what you want. Either you believe people are being denied entry to stores or you don’t. Either you decide to sit in your house for two weeks or you go out to do what you need to do. I don’t understand demanding details of an encounter from a poster you apparently have issues with.

Yes, unfortunately there are. And because it is so contagious and exponentially multiplies quite quickly, one infected idjit exposes 3 other idjits, they each expose another 3, and within a week there are 100 cases that all can be traced back to idjit #1. One SUV full of maskless weekenders, one of whom has the virus, coming to have "fun", who've all been breathing in the enclosed vehicle for an hour and then go out and about in your town for two days, pulling their masks down around their chin to talk on the phone while standing close to some other passersby, can spark a whole new round of infections.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that- you have a problem with reading comprehension. Both I and Bisbee Gal indicated that we go out when it is necessary and practice extremely safe COVID precautions. Unless we are blind, of course we would notice, when taking care of essential business, if people are complying with directives. How or why you twisted that into just strolling about to check how things are looking is something only you know. When lockdowns are imposed, it is because of people who won't wear masks or distance, gather in groups, etc. If everyone, and I mean everyone, just followed the scientific guidance for not spreading the virus, there would be no need for mandated lockdowns, just like there would be no need for laws against murder if no one ever killed anyone else.

As Bisbee Gal explained above, her practices when going out do not present a danger to either herself or others. I have been conducting myself in exactly the same way she describes, since March. And I don't go out for frivolous reasons. The virus gets spread by those who either don't get it, or don't care. Pulling some filthy wadded-up mask they've worn 100 times out of their pocket, that they only put on to be allowed to enter a store, wearing it under their nose, refusing to distance, getting together with people they don't share a home with, while taking no precautions, and so on.

If not guess we’ll starve.

Nothing wrong with going out and driving around. we went by the Chapala Malecon today and many people were inside the barriers to be near the lake, police right there doing nothing. Tapatios here all over on their bikes, but most were masked.

Just an update...SUCCESS!!! Muchas gracias CHILLIN!!! I picked up the batteries that he graciously offered me for my golf cart and had them charged and checked out by Jamie who gave the greenlight and had Armando, my mechanic come to install. He found that there not one, but 2 of the batteries (out of the 6) were malo, so thankfully my gift of the 2 were perfect. I charged overnight and have been test driving over the past couple of days and running like a race horse!!! Now I am waiting for Adelita's to resume the wonderful Sat. and Mon. music nights so I can take it on the short trip there and more importantly get me home in good shape. After a few vino tintos, walking back home can be an adventure with those pesky cobblestones jumping up and hitting you in the face. Seriously, it happened to me once!!! I would also like to thank the lovely Mrs. CHILLIN for her help. Another chapala.com success story!!!

The government can do basically nothing to stop the spread. This study, which was published in the Wiley Online Library on Jan. 5, researchers examined COVID case growth across 10 countries to determine how beneficial various precautionary measures proved to be, specifically looking at more restrictive measures like lock downs and business closures. Researchers compared COVID cases in England, France, Germany, Iran, Italy, Netherlands, Spain, and the U.S.—all of which instituted mandatory stay-at-home orders and business closures—to South Korea and Sweden, which only implemented voluntary personal precautions. The findings showed there is "no clear, significant" benefit to lock downs and business closures. After comparing the countries with more restrictive measures to those with less restrictive measures, it was clear to the researchers that there is "no clear, significant beneficial effect of more restrictive measures on case growth in any country." Their findings suggest that mandatory lock downs don't significantly stop the spread more than personal measures like social distancing and mask-wearing. "We do not question the role of all public health interventions, or of coordinated communications about the epidemic, but we fail to find an additional benefit of stay-at-home orders and business closures," the authors concluded. Wear a mask, wash your hands, avoid prolonged close contact.

You really don't think the comment was meant to be serious do you? Maybe we should start posting satire with an announcement in front. "the following post is meant to be a joke" ........

FedEx, DHL, UPS.

I always wonder how they come up with a 95% effectiveness rate. Do they take 100 people wearing this mask and then expose them to the virus and then carry out A COVID 19 test where in theory 5 should be infected ? ☺️

Make sure you buy catalytic type gas heaters. These are the only type safe to use indoors without an open door or window. I have three and they have never set off my C0 detectors. They take about five minutes to warm up and become efficient. I have had no problems in 15 years of use. Use common sense. These are not made to be used unattended or in too small an area. I live in a tight 8 year old house with modern windows that seal and no problem. Yes they are not legal in US but they are legal here.

Some of you seem to be forgetting that we are living in Mexico. These directives aren't aimed at inconveniencing retired gringos. Most elderly Mexicans have plenty of family around who can go shopping for them. The aim is to keep their elders from dying. 85% of COVID patients in Mexico who are put on ventilators end up in the morgue.

It would be so helpful if the person posting could give some details other than some vague reference like “I know someone who was denied entry to OXO today...,or Soriana denied someone today.. As it was the same poster of both of these events theses posts have zero credibility...

Well what could be more reliable and credible than that statement....denied someone

Or we can put on our big kid pants and act like responsible grown-ups.

So don't sit really close to the heating element/grate - you will definitely get burnt (that goes for cat and dog tails too); don't wear nylon or polyester near it; remember to shut the valve off; don't let it run all night unattended. Simple, common sense stuff.

I’ll go Sunday morning and let the board know. TOB said there were seniors in WM this morning.

I just came back from Oxxo in my neighborhood, they let me in, l am 80, maybe it was because l am a regular, and pay all my bills there and get their great coffee

From World Health Organization, re: where do people get infected with Covid: Crowded places with many people nearby; Close-contact settings, especially where people have conversations very near each other; Confined and enclosed spaces with poor ventilation. And from here, https://sfsafe.org/top-10-riskiest-places-for-catching-coronavirus/ 1. Bars and Jails/Prisons (tied for 8.85 on the risk scale) According to MSN & CivicMeter, both bars and jails/prisons tied for the riskiest places to potentially catch coronavirus. A large amount of outbreaks have been linked to jails and prisons, due to the close proximity of those inside of them. Indoor bars also make social distancing very difficult, and also have been linked to many infections. 2. Nursing Homes (8.73) It may come as no surprise to anyone keeping up on the news that nursing homes are also hot zones for coronavirus. Per the MSN article, statistics report that nursing homes and long-term care facilities account for more than 40 percent of all COVID-related deaths, while the CDC states that people living in these places are at a higher risk. 3. Indoor Theaters/Churches (8.15) With the speaking and singing that occurs during services—and the potential spread of droplets—churches have also risen to the top of the list of the most dangerous places for coronavirus, per the MSN report. The report also highlighted an article by The New York Times that found more than 650 cases have been linked to nearly 40 churches and religious events across the United States since the early days of the pandemic. 4. Restaurants/Indoor Seating (7.54) Even Dr. Fauci himself told people in a MarketWatch interview to avoid indoor eating altogether, per the MSN report. Asked if dining outdoors was safer, he didn’t hesitate in answering. “Yes, absolutely. Indoors is much worse than outdoors,” Dr. Fauci replied. 5. Outdoor Stadiums for Large Events (7.54) With such large numbers of people attending rock concerts, sporting events or other stadium-centric activities, the potential for infection goes through the roof. More people congregating close together while talking, screaming and—not to mention while potentially losing their inhibitions on alcohol—is a very risky recipe for catching coronavirus per MSN’s piece. 6. Gyms (7.50) According to MSN’s article, Dr. Fauci told The Washington Post that he would refrain from gym visits at this time—and most epidemiologists agree with him. As some people solely return to fitness studios, virus outbreaks have been reported, including in California. 7. Outside Gatherings That Aren’t Socially Distanced (7.38) When it comes to gathering together during the pandemic, outside is definitely better than inside—most especially when social distancing as well. Inside gatherings made social distancing very difficult, as evidenced by graduation parties and summer barbecues being linked to large coronavirus outbreaks, per the MSN article. 8. Airports (6.73) Although many people might assume airplanes are rife with opportunities for catching coronavirus, it turns out airports are even riskier, given the time spent in close contact with others in security lines and airport terminals with frequently touched surfaces, per the CDC via MSN. 9. Airplane (6.65) Many might assume the potential to catch coronavirus in the air is what makes airplane travel so risky. In fact, per the MSN report that quoted the CDC, it’s more about traveling in close proximity to each other. “Social distancing is difficult on crowded flights, and you may have to sit near others (within 6 feet), sometimes for hours. This may increase your risk for exposure to the virus that causes COVID-19.” 10. Hospitals (6.24) Although it might seem as though hospitals are hot zones for coronavirus infection, they are actually safer than many other places due to strictly enforced protocol. Still, they rank in the top ten riskiest places, per MSN. And from here: https://sfsafe.org/top-10-riskiest-places-for-catching-coronavirus/

Some (IMO) good info: https://www.vox.com/22220301/covid-spread-new-strain-variants-safe-grocery-store-n95-masks-vaccine

In addition to space and duration of contact you need to consider the viral load of your encounter. Even IF a person who is carrying the virus sneezed at exactly the second they walked past you (and, as Mostlylost pointed out, what are the chances of that happening?) the amount of virus in the droplets that you MIGHT inhale can easily be knocked out by your immune system. Nothing happens. Stand or sit a couple of feet away from an infected person for several hours, talking, laughing or maybe shouting, singing and the viral load you take in may overwhelm your immune system and you get sick.

I remember the best ft long chili dogs when I lived in NE Portland Or. They would put this to shame.

Markets may be open BUT there must be 3 meters between the front of each stand per state rules

I was just denied entry to an Oxxo!!! This is ridiculous. It's called discrimination. This won't stop anything!

Tianguis is allowed under new restrictions

I assume that means no Monday or Tuesday markets. And, since those over 60 are essentially under "house arrest", would someone explain just how they will get fresh foods from the grocery stores? Trust them to pick veggies and fruits to deliver? Oh, right. That's only the beginning. What a mess.

It is actually spelt "Chirimoyo" and is a distressed community due to an ongoing land dispute (approx. 20 yrs.) with the Mesa Directiva of the local Village called Tlachichilco. Good place to rent but could be problematic for purchasing property since many of the "foreigner" owned titles have been set aside on the properties in that area. The adjacent town of San Juan Tecomatlan has been regularized but Tlachichilco has refused to move forward so far. The locals refer to their community as "indigenous" even though there are almost no people currently living there that can trace their family history as descendants of any indigenous forbearers.

An exercise for people who are out of shape: Begin with a five-pound potato bag in each hand. Extend your arms straight out from your sides, hold them there for a full minute, and then relax. After a few weeks, move up to ten-pound potato bags. Then try 50-pound potato bags, and eventually try to get to where you can lift a 100-pound potato bag in each hand and hold your arms straight for more than a full minute. Once you feel confident at that level, put a potato in each bag.

Unfortunately many of the expats that post on this board think they know more than the medical experts. From reading the posts over the last 2 days it’s sad to see how many of them are posting that they went out to see if the malecon was open or closed, checking out the stores... Others are posting you can’t get Covid from casual contact. Someone posted he was going to Walmart today.. What more can the governor do to stop the spread.. ?

Soriana denied someone today. Wear a cap and face mask.

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